- #1714675jensMemberMember since: May 3, 2006
Replies: 7636jens March 19, 2019 at 8:35 pm
arandar – is not your pyramid with its caption “the Pyramid of White Supremacy ” itself a provocative racist statement, because would not the same or similar pyramid also apply to the Isis people having beheaded whites for public display on television ?#1714706arandarMemberMember since: November 23, 2009
Replies: 10711arandar March 20, 2019 at 4:18 pm
Jens. I am answering you because it seems this thread has been stopped in its tracks by your question.
I do not think or believe that pyramid of White Supremacy is itself a racist statement because it merely illustrates how indifference and minimisation, to which I’d add ‘what about-ism’ and ‘they did it first/worst’ allows and excuses ‘veiled racism’ – the sly jokes, mockery, denigration that we had begun to discuss a page or so back – which in turn support and enable discrimation and violence.
That was always what those of us here on GUPs who objected to racist and misogynist jokes and digs, not to mention the actual recommendations that certain groups of people should not be allowed into this country and others should be kicked out were saying … it’s not funny, it’s unkind, its unfair, it’s bigoted and, in some instances, it’s hate speech. Which is illegal.
And as events in Christchurch have proved it’s dangerous.
I wonder how many of the 50 dead would have found those ‘jokes’ remotely funny.
I expect the 4 year olds and the 14 year olds would have just wondered why those GUPs were laughing at them. Or hated them.
The people who were attacked were Muslims of a number of races, ethnicities and nationalities. Including Pakeha New Zealanders. Including the children of Pakeha NZers. I’ll never get over the fact that innocent children were killed and injured in a place of worship by a man who wanted to start a race war.
It is not racist to discuss racism, Jens. It’s not religious intolerance to discuss religious bigotry. But I’m sure you know that. I don’t differentiate between white Supremacy and Isis. They’re two sides of an identical coin.
Arandar#1714744halcyonMemberMember since: May 4, 2014
Replies: 4925halcyon March 20, 2019 at 6:01 pm
I agree with your comment arandar, that model is not, in and of itself, racist. It can be used to explain the behaviour of any group towards a target group. It is equally applicable groups based on their religious or political positions.
The situation is compounded by “labeling” a group and then making generalised attributions about the group based on the behaviour of a small portion of that group. We need to focus on the behaviour of the actor, the one or ones doing the action, rather than on the group. It is the inappropriate behaviour that should be condemned and not the group.
Unfortunately our media have not modeled good behaviour by labeling the offender as a,…..: well you know the erroneous label they are using. By so doing they run the risk of creating further incidents.
Surely it is better to label the offender by his behaviour, which is inexcusable and totally unacceptable.
It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.#1714809arandarMemberMember since: November 23, 2009
Replies: 10711arandar March 21, 2019 at 2:31 pm
Halcyon, not sure what you mean.
Do you mean the media is in error to call the shooter a ‘terrorist’?
He is. He set out to murder as many innocent people, men, women and children as possible, to kill, injure and terrorise for a political ideology. That’s the definition of a terrorist.
Or do you mean they are in error calling him a ‘White Supremacist’?
He is. He claims to be. It is underpins everything he believes and it’s why he did what he did; he does not accept people of colour and of non Christian faiths have equal human rights. He believes the white race is under threat from people of other, non-white, races. He hoped to start a race war; to encourage other white (men) to rise up and drive all others out of ‘their’ countries.
Arandar#1714822oonaMemberMember since: March 21, 2019
Replies: 16oona March 21, 2019 at 2:55 pm
Excuse me. Would anyone happen to know where I can find out what time the azaan (Muslim call to prayer) will be broadcast? I don’t live in New Zealand, but I want to tune in, if I can, to show solidarity. Does anyone know where I can find out if it will be streamed anywhere?
I’d be grateful to be able to do that.#1714825Hero42MemberMember since: July 18, 2008
Replies: 11903Hero42 March 21, 2019 at 3:13 pm
This is what I found on NewsHub
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced the call to prayer will be played on state broadcasters TVNZ and RNZ on Friday to mark one week since 50 people were gunned down at two Christchurch mosques.
The call to prayer will also be simulcast on Three and Magic Talk.
The time of the call is yet to be confirmed.#1714826oonaMemberMember since: March 21, 2019
Replies: 16oona March 21, 2019 at 3:28 pm
Thanks for your response, Hero 42. Would anyone know if it will be streamed anywhere on the Internet? My local public radio station streams what it broadcasts so people can listen on radios or computers. Is there anything like that in New Zealand that might carry the call to prayer?#1714827dr-whoMemberMember since: April 12, 2017
Replies: 154dr-who March 21, 2019 at 3:32 pmIt has taken 6 days but NZ’s racist little neanderthals now have a new target for their vitriol.They are now attacking those who are helping in Christchurch simply because they are gang members…….(simply because they are Maori is more accurate).The issue is white supremacy and racism. Those criticising are simply trying to deflect their own hatred to another target…….despicable.#1714828Hero42MemberMember since: July 18, 2008
Replies: 11903Hero42 March 21, 2019 at 4:14 pm
Hopefully it will be streamed through the Newshub, TVNZ and RNZ websites.
You could also try
and see if the NZ radio stations are on there.
Cheers 🙂#1714838halcyonMemberMember since: May 4, 2014
Replies: 4925halcyon March 21, 2019 at 5:05 pm
Arandar, the label I was referring to was “White Supremacist”. You say.,”He claims to be” Therefore I am interested where he has said that. Is it that you have read it in the media? I know that there are those in the media who claim that he has made that claim in his manifesto.
However, I have read his manifesto carefully, from cover to cover, and have found no such statement. In the manifesto he identifies as Eco-facist and accepts the term “Facist”.An interesting comment he makes is “The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People’s Republic of China”. His behaviours actually supports the label he has selected and not the label given him by some in the media.
In saying what I have I am in no way making excuses for his actions. In fact I totally condemn his actions. My opinion is that he is a pathetic weakling who was unable to adapt to society’s continual morphosis. Remember, attack is often motivated by fear.
It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.
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