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    Profile photo of paulinempaulinem
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    paulinem

    Critic as you per usual when you make your glibe sarcastic posts above , you dont look deeper at  the issues involved with the legalizing marijuana/ cannabis for private recreational use.

    There was no mention in your post of the harm, that can occur with  use of this drug such as brain damage. Critic do we not have enough problems in NZ with a growing mental health issue, which I suspect cannabis is the route cause of the recent times increase in the need for help in mental health.

    What we need to do BEFORE the referendum comes out, is have as intensive look at the countries/states etc that were silly enough to allow the drug to be legalized for recreational use and see for ourselves  the harm etc it has done these places.

    #1707583
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    Bryan

    In the past “I” like most working class Kiwi’s used to enjoy a glass or 3 after a long days work. I remember one evening after a long hot summers day when a group of us were partaking of a couple and the subject of marijuana/cannabis came up.

    One of my mates, just a little younger than I, said that a “joint” was passed around and as he said “My kids have just started school and are going to grow up with ‘stuff’ around so I gave it a try.” he had never seen it before and went on to say “It scared the s**t out of me and I will never try it again, I will do what ever I can to stop my kids from ever trying it!”

    At Home, At Peace and Causing Trouble In South Taranaki

    #1707584
    Profile photo of lilith7lilith7
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    lilith7

    The thing about education on drugs is that its mostly not addressed why people use drugs in the first place,nor has it addressed addiction.

    Most people tend to drink when they want to relax,celebrate something or ‘drown their sorrows,or when socialising.

     

    Its perhaps worth looking at the experience in Portugal where drugs have now been decriminalised for  over a decade,with a resulting fall in the numbers of deaths from overdose.

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it

    “In 2001, nearly two decades into Pereira’s accidental specialisation in addiction, Portugal became the first country to decriminalise the possession and consumption of all illicit substances. Rather than being arrested, those caught with a personal supply might be given a warning, a small fine, or told to appear before a local commission – a doctor, a lawyer and a social worker – about treatment, harm reduction, and the support services that were available to them.

    The opioid crisis soon stabilised, and the ensuing years saw dramatic drops in problematic drug use, HIV and hepatitis infection rates, overdose deaths, drug-related crime and incarceration rates. HIV infection plummeted from an all-time high in 2000 of 104.2 new cases per million to 4.2 cases per million in 2015.”

     

    #1707610
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    Critic

    There was no mention in your post of the harm, that can occur with use of this drug such as brain damage. Critic do we not have enough problems in NZ with a growing mental health issue, which I suspect cannabis is the route cause of the recent times increase in the need for help in mental health.

    You are clearly hysterical ….There was no need for me to mention harm. A lot of the harm is imaginary or the result of folk confusing the damage done by real drugs with the “HERB”

    It might be convenient for some to blame the growing number of mental health issues upon the herb but…. common sense will tell you to separate issues and focus upon reality…..
    Partaking of the herb or plant is considered to be illegal now yet mental health issues are growing??? Do yo not think that there might be other causes for that? If you want a real drug to blame for the increase in mental health issues look at “P” it is a very very real problem as is synthetic cannabis which has nothing at all to do with a plant or herb in the cannabis family other than the fact that currently trying to obtain cannabis one often has to go to the fella that deals in drugs ….
    You could try to dig deeper (as you seem to believe you can) and work out what is wrong with the culture if some believe they need drugs more than others that believe they have the moral or legal authority to prevent them while sucking on a bottle of taxable alcohol and in so doing contributing to the nations health problems (all seems mental?)

    So i hope you Don’t confuse cannabis with that stuff that was legal until recently which did real damage “synthetic cannabis” – the long term mental damage done there by having cannabis illegal is the facilitation of real drugs filling the gap in availability because nobody would have bothered with or considered that recently “LEGAL” (commercial) stuffer (synthetic cannabis)if the real Herb had been decriminalized and people are dying as the result of using such “party drugs” (commercial spin).

    Now here’s the thing “paulinem” You were quick to jump on me with criticism which I reckon was plain- poorly thought out …

    Critic as you per usual when you make your glibe sarcastic posts above , you dont look deeper at the issues involved with the legalizing marijuana/ cannabis for private recreational use.

    But you conveniently ignore the Parts of my comment you would have been wiser to focus upon (although you might well have been a wee bit out of your depth in doing so apparently)-
    Firstly I do not believe that it is appropriate to “Legalize” cannabis at this point in time because in NZ that would mean commercialize it It helps to know the difference before the actual wording of the referendum becomes public … yet here you go drawing attention away from the depth of my comments expecting folk to look offshore….. for what?

    What we need to do BEFORE the referendum comes out, is have as intensive look at the countries/states etc that were silly enough to allow the drug to be legalized for recreational use and see for ourselves the harm etc it has done these places.

    I will repeat it for you “Legalize in NZ would mean commercialize” and so if you are going to look offshore keep in mind that “Decriminalize” for personal use does not mean “legalize” … I hope that is not too deep for you 🙂

    How many deaths did you come up with that can be directly attributed to this “one of- Gods Plants?”
    The deck seems to be stacked (even by criteria) against decriminalization but do you reckon they would use the same criteria to count bodies if it is commercialized really?

    Deep enough for you or do I actually need to scratch the surface?
    🙂

    chick fishing 4nicotine fix

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    #1707627
    Profile photo of paulinempaulinem
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    paulinem

    Critic what I have read from  you is to me gobbledygook another word for RUBBISH…and like in  your other post on politics another over sized picture, as I said in your other post you  are  I see is a exhibitionist and love attention to your superior self and your views.

    Like it or not Critics we grownups are okay in putting in OPINIONS on this discussion forum that are different to you, and many of us like myself want no barr of NZ legalizing cannabis for personal use !!

    #1707653
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    halcyon

    paulinem, you ask a very valuable question when you ask “do we not have enough problems in NZ with a growing mental health issue”. To address Critic’s comment about your failure to provide evidence for your assumption that there is a relationship between cannabis and mental health may I provide some of that evidence. According to the University of New South Wales National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre:-

    the relationship between cannabis use and risk of developing symptoms of psychosis has been well established in many different review articles.
    This research has found that early and frequent cannabis use is a component cause of psychosis, which interacts with other risk factors such as family history of psychosis, history of childhood abuse and expression of the COMT and AKT1 genes. 

    Also Current Addiction Reports December 2016, Volume 3, Issue 4, pp 450–462 informs us that:-

    Evidence suggests that cannabis use has negative effects in patients with major psychiatric disorders. It is critical to better understand the endocannabinoid system and its links with mental illness.

    As well as the British Medical Journal reported in 2002 that:-

    Cannabis use is associated with an increased risk of developing schizophrenia, consistent with a causal relation

    Yes I know that last one is rather old, but there are other reports published last year that support the notion.

    And as a final point. Consider Critics comments in his various postings. His last few postings on this thread could be considered to be a sign of paranoia As the research says,  there is a relationship between cannabis use and schizophrenia. So check out the symptoms of that disorder.

    Already disturbed, approach with caution.

    #1707656
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    Critic

    R U sure you wanna play point the finger halcyon ???

    ….Universal Declaration of Human Rights. However, if I express my opinion in terms that belittle or are patently false, then my expression is contrary to the Wikipedia definition.

    And as a final point. Consider Critics comments in his various postings. His last few postings on this thread could be considered to be a sign of paranoia As the research says, there is a relationship between cannabis use and schizophrenia. So check out the symptoms of that disorder.

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    Ahhhyyyyee “the village idiot” halcyon .. You voted for that title as I recall -elsewhere Still licking windows ru- 🙂 … I still don’t care buddy 🙂

    We were actually chatting about some vote about cannabis, Im sorry if I thought you were a bit of a dick to imagine we were here to chat about me. I do hear voices in my head though…. that part is true because my ears are attached to my head is my excuse…. I suppose if I had my head parked where yours is- sounds would be a bit muffled – but we won’t get anal here will we halcyon?

    So lets see what you got… some Australian university

    the relationship between cannabis use and risk of developing symptoms of psychosis has been well established in many different review articles.

    But we won’t mention them so they can be referenced? was that there? they are Australians …. pays to watch their balls? eh halcon. :0

    This research has found that early and frequent cannabis use is a component cause of psychosis, which interacts with other risk factors such as family history of psychosis, history of childhood abuse and expression of the COMT and AKT1 genes.

    Yea Australians wouldn’t consider a family history of psychosis as not being such a significant factor when pulling out all stops with the intention of putting down cannabis as is obviously the purpose of the report (for funding purposes?)

    Evidence suggests that cannabis use has negative effects in patients with major psychiatric disorders. It is critical to better understand the endocannabinoid system and its links with mental illness.

    You see halcyon …. last time you voted for your village idiot badge or hat was it? you lost the plot and look at this…. Who would even think of giving the herb to somebody suffering from major psychiatric disorder…. you stating

    Critic’s comment about your failure to provide evidence for your assumption that there is a relationship between cannabis and mental health may I provide some of that evidence. According to the University of New South Wales National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre:-

    Thank you for evidence of the coerced connection between cannabis and drug pushers or Australian “scientists” who were providing it to patients with “major psychiatric disorders” wouldn’t that relationship between cannabis and mental health normally be seen as a tad coerced or unethical?
    Australian was it? …..

    It must have been hard to dig up any dirt on cannabis with all that bullshit stacked on top of the ground as mulch? eh halcyon

    Evidence suggests that cannabis use has negative effects in patients with major psychiatric disorders.

    Yeaaa go figure…. not from an “Australian” village were you?

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320984.php
    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/health-benefits-of-medical-marijuana-2014-4?r=US&IR=T
    https://www.green-flower.com/articles/66/50-life-enhancing-benefits-of-cannabishttps://www.lifehack.org/articles/lifestyle/20-medical-benefits-marijuana-you-probably-never-knew.html

    Not hard to find doctors or groups singing about the medicinal uses etc of the herb… I typed “benefits of cannabis” into the google engine and got about 173,000,000 results as could anybody else (without an axe to grind) got the time to go through all that?

    I think it is fair to say that not everyone would find benefit in the use of cannabis nor want to but it is a plant that has been in use by others for thousands of years.
    I find it interesting that those who do not partake are the ones that seem to want to insist on controlling the ones that do partake. I have never heard of a smoker trying to insist that everyone else should participates … are they a better class of person perhaps or is it simply a matter of them gaining perspective by participation?

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    #1707659
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    halcyon

    Thank you Critic, I rest my case.   🙂

    Already disturbed, approach with caution.

    #1707682
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    lilith7

    It seems that only a small proportion of those using Marijuana will experience mental health issues; but as yet there are no studies of stronger varieties available now.

    Probably,like any drug most people will be able to use it without any ill effect while a few will experience problems.

     

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/marijuana-psychosis-cause-420-weed-day-cannabis-mental-health-expert-ian-hamilton-a7692436.html

    “There appears to be only a low chance of developing psychosis as a result of using cannabis, a review of existing research has suggested.

    After a review of existing research, Ian Hamilton, a lecturer in mental health at York University, concluded that stopping people using the drug would have a relatively low impact on the public’s mental health.

    “A new review of research carried out since then has concluded that ‘at a population level the increased risk is weak and the vulnerabilities relatively rare’.”

     

     

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/cannabis-marijuana-cause-psychosis-drugs-schizophrenia-mental-health-minimise-risk-harm-a7693086.html

    “As an expert in mental health, I would say that the biggest risk to anyone who uses cannabis remains their exposure to tobacco, which is a far more dangerous substance

    When you have over 2 million people trying cannabis in the last year, the odds are that some of them already have or will go on to have mental health problems such as psychosis.

    It would be handy to know who is the most likely to develop such a problem. Science should be able to provide some clues as researchers first began looking into the link between cannabis and psychosis in the Seventies, so we’ve had nearly 50 years to figure this one out. But science rarely churns out binary answers to questions and the cannabis psychosis conundrum is no different.

    What has become clearer is that the more cannabis you smoke, the greater your risk of becoming psychotic – this is often referred to as the “dose-response” relationship. This means that a small group of people face the highest risk, as a mere 9 per cent of users get through 73 per cent of all the cannabis consumed. Also, for people who already have schizophrenia, cannabis can make the hallucinations and thought disorder they experience worse; they also take longer to recover from these when they do get treatment.

    To get a sense of the size of the risk, we would need roughly 23,000 people to abstain from ever using cannabis to prevent one of them from becoming psychotic.

    There have been no studies large enough or sophisticated enough since higher potency versions of cannabis like skunk came along. Higher potency cannabis contains less cannabidiol (CBD), which is believed to offer some protection from developing problems such as psychosis, but higher levels of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), which can trigger psychosis. So it’s possible that we might need fewer people to abstain from cannabis to stop one of them developing a mental health problem if higher potency strains increase the risk. But we just don’t know.”

     

     

    #1707694
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    halcyon

    There is a similarity between the issue of cannabis use and the issue of global warming. On both these issues the media present an opinion that is popular with society at large. Society then quotes the articles in the newspapers as “scientific evidence ” to support  their position.

    And yet, when one goes back to the researcher’s reports of their findings one finds quite a variance from what the media say. In a professional journal one can identify the research question, explore the data and evaluate the conclusions the researcher’s claim against the findings of the analysis.

    Therefore I would rather place my faith in such periodicals as The American Journal of Psychiatry, The Lancet, or The New England Journal of Medicine.  A quote from one research report in the AJP informs me that:-

    Cannabis use is associated with an adverse course of psychotic symptoms in schizophrenia, and vice versa, even after taking into account other clinical, substance use, and demographic variables.

    Already disturbed, approach with caution.

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