- #1707341halcyon January 10, 2019 at 4:13 pm
Therefore it is not what we say, but how we say it that counts. If I express an opinion, even if that opinion is contrary to the opinion of others, then I am protected under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. However, if I express my opinion in terms that belittle or are patently false, then my expression is contrary to the Wikipedia definition.
For example, if I state that I would not befriend a man who removes his body hair I am but expressing an opinion. However, if I state that men who remove their body hair are poofters and should be condemned to suffer, then no longer is my expression acceptable.
Therefore if we speak from the ‘self’ rather than make sweeping statements we would not run into this problem (freedom of speech) as often.
It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.#1707377arandarMemberMember since: November 23, 2009
Replies: 10749arandar January 10, 2019 at 6:53 pm
Exactly my understanding, too, Halcyon.
Which is why it’s so easy to tell a troll from a genuine poster and why how we express our opinions can have consequences.
It’s why I support those who wonder why their post was removed without warning or explanation but other posts remain though they are clearly intended to inflame or distract and add nothing to the discussion.
I’m delighted to see one of them, whose only purpose was to call certain groups of people names, likened us/them to species of animals, denigrated our/their entire culture for the actions of a small vile minority, is now gone from these threads.
Arandar#1707397criticMemberMember since: June 6, 2011
Replies: 1221#1707403gabyoneMemberMember since: November 13, 2008
Replies: 2744gabyone January 11, 2019 at 9:13 am
So pleased to see that many on here understand what constitutes “Hate” speech. My simple belief is ” It is O.K. to dislike an individuals actions but not O.K. to condemn a whole group, or race, on that individuals behaviour.”
Gabyone Auckland region#1707404halcyon January 11, 2019 at 9:29 am
How about when a group acts in a certain way and that behaviour is unacceptable gabyone? For example, soccer hooligans? Is it acceptable to condemn the group behaviour?
However, I would not extrapolate that condemnation to a wider group like “all” young people, or young people of a particular country.
It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.#1707405huiatahiMemberMember since: March 22, 2017
Replies: 981huiatahi January 11, 2019 at 9:30 am
Exactly….I hope the one Arandar has waved goodbye to doesn’t morph into someone else
huiatahi#1707408gabyoneMemberMember since: November 13, 2008
Replies: 2744gabyone January 11, 2019 at 10:08 am
Halycon any group of people who break the laws of our country, as a group, should be able to be criticised. However if we belong to a group and a few of that group behave in a deplorable manner, then it is their personal crime not ours. e.g. a touring sports team has 2 members commit an assault when the rest are not present. Then surely we should only condemn those actually involved.
Gabyone Auckland region#1707511halcyon January 11, 2019 at 10:20 pm
Agree totally gabyone. I agree we should not judge the group by the behaviour of a small number of the group. But when the ‘normal’ behaviour of the group is a behaviour that is not acceptable to our society, then we should be able to state that.
It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.#1707512paulinemMemberMember since: July 8, 2006
Replies: 982paulinem January 12, 2019 at 7:46 am
Talking about group behavior…legalizing Cannabis/marijuana referendum ….We are going to have a vote on this either this year or next. What do grownups think should we legalize this mind changing drug?
Personally I think we have enough issues with alcohol, to deal with as a society,without adding a drug for recreational use.
Cannabis worries me in the reports of how it can damage effect the mind/brains. I ask how much is the availability of cannabis the reason we have a growing mental health problem. I question would making it legal not make this problem even worse.
Amanda I am interested in the view point of the police on legalizing this drug. Also it would be interesting to know how those working in mental health think of legalizing cannabis usage will help or make the mental health problem to grow even more bad in NZ.#1707513paulinemMemberMember since: July 8, 2006
Replies: 982paulinem January 12, 2019 at 7:50 am
Study: Michigan medical marijuana users are driving while high
More than half of the medical marijuana users in Michigan have driven under the influence of the drug, creating a potential for car crashes, according to a new study from the University of Michigan.
The study, which surveyed 790 of the state’s medical marijuana patients, revealed that:
- 56 percent reported driving within two hours of using marijuana.
- 51 percent aid they drove while a “little high.”
- 21 percent reported driving while “very high.”
The findings were published Wednesday in the “Drug & Alcohol Dependence” journal.
“When you are intoxicated with marijuana or you have marijuana actively in your system it can affect things like your coordination and your reaction time,” said the study’s lead author Erin Bonar, an assistant professor of psychiatry. “We know it can take several hours for its effects to wear off.”
She added: “There is a low perceived risk about driving after using marijuana, but we want people to know that they should ideally wait several hours to operate a vehicle after using cannabis, regardless of whether it is for medical use or not,” Bonar said. “The safest strategy is to not drive at all on the day you used marijuana.”
About 270,000 people in Michigan have permission to use medical marijuana. Only California has more medical marijuana users, roughly 916,000, according to statistics.
And now that recreational use of marijuana has been approved by the state’s voters, the potential for high drivers and any dangers they may pose is greater.
“We believe more research is needed to inform a larger public education effort that will help individuals understand the risks for themselves, and others, of driving while under the influence of cannabis,” Bonar said. “It is especially needed during this time of rapid policy change as many states are determining how to manage marijuana legalization. We also need clearer guidelines about marijuana dosing and side effects with an understanding of how individual differences in things like sex and body weight interact as well.”
In its study, the U-M team surveyed Michigan adults who were seeking medical marijuana certification for chronic pain in 2014 and 2015. The researchers asked about respondents’ driving habits for the past six months.
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