- #1680299BryanMemberMember since: October 28, 2006
Replies: 12357Bryan May 15, 2018 at 10:20 am
Your experiences in the RNZAF will have stood you in good stead for life. Many of my mates who served in the Forces have shown that they were able to cope with whatever fate through at them and made a useful contribution to their fellow men/women.
I’ll go along with those remarks. Before I was married and moved away from Wellington I was a member of the Naval Volunteer Reserve. This gave me a a good grounding in many aspects of life, not least of which was how to get along with people living inclose spaces etc. We even went to sea with one 18 yr old that didn’t know how to set up an ironing board.
At Home, At Peace and Causing Trouble In South Taranaki#1680305lilith7MemberMember since: April 9, 2017
Replies: 1865lilith7 May 15, 2018 at 1:35 pm
One of the things which emerged about Gloriavale is that while each family receives the WFF funding,its controlled by the men who run things.
One family had a daughter who had left there & her parents had been sending her part of their WFF funding to help her get settled into life outside but the head Neville Cooper AKA Hopeful Christian,put an end to that.#1680311Hero42MemberMember since: July 18, 2008
Replies: 11575Hero42 May 15, 2018 at 3:53 pm
In terms of material wealth yes in terms of wealth of the human experience no.
Consider what is taught in state schools and what of that that is not taught in Gloriavale.
Consider what the Ultrafast broadband initiative started by Labour and continued by National offers in terms of world experience that isn’t available at Gloriavale.
And lets keep State and Church separate.
The other side of the wealth question has been raised by Gloriavale itself.
If they are applying for Working for Families then they must be claiming that the people are not earning enough.
Cheers 🙂#1680323supergoldMemberMember since: May 9, 2009
Replies: 8649supergold May 15, 2018 at 4:55 pm
Latest news regarding Gloriavale founder Hopeful Christian – formerly known as Neville Cooper – has died of cancer today at the secluded religious community.
Supergold-Wainuiomata (Wellington)#1680331halcyonMemberMember since: May 4, 2014
Replies: 4823halcyon May 15, 2018 at 5:11 pm
Having sat with a group of 16 year olds who have never seen the ocean nor been on a boat on water, I would suggest that a percentage of our population have not had greater human experience than those in Gloriavale. However, having been present in Youth Court on numerous occasions I can see what the young people in Gloriavale are missing out on.
It is true that the internet is more widely available these days. However, I wonder how many of young people these days have had the pleasure of reading classical literature.
My wife was in contact with Gloriavale after the TV programme was aired. Her interest was in the experiences of the teachers. Interesting enough they report they experience very little ADD, ADHD, or behaviour issues in the classroom. Yet I hear our teachers continually complaining out classroom behaviour. Is not the Government promising to provide more funding in this area?
In every society there are advantages and disadvantages. We need the opportunity to chose which one suits us best. And there are many aspects of mainstream NZ society that I find unacceptable.
The majority of those in Gloriavale appear to prefer that lifestyle otherwise they would leave. But considering what main stream society has to offer then I do not blame them from staying.
Already disturbed, approach with caution.#1680338henriMemberMember since: April 18, 2017
Replies: 138henri May 15, 2018 at 5:29 pm
To be fair the elders do their best to keep the people in.
Leaving is not easy#1680425lilith7MemberMember since: April 9, 2017
Replies: 1865lilith7 May 16, 2018 at 11:49 am
The thing is though Halycon that those within the cult don’t get that choice,being unable to freely leave if they want to – & anyone showing signs of wanting to go is first discouraged & put under pressure & if they persist they’re then shunned & allowed no contact with family. And the children are schooled within the cult so unlikely they’d teach anything they don’t agree with.
Its going to be very difficult for those who’ve managed to leave , especially for his son & his family since its unlikely they’d be allowed to attend the funeral.
“The allegations made against the community by former members have been well covered – the forced marriages, the sexual and physical abuse, the shunning of anyone who leaves, and the complete financial domination of all members.
The trust owns land worth about $10 million along with buildings, vehicles and equipment worth about $20 million.
Gloriavale members live within the confines of the West Coast base, sign over all their assets to the trust when they join, and work unpaid for the community.
Any income that community members earn is donated to the trust to cover food, medical costs, clothing and laundry costs for the community.”#1680437halcyonMemberMember since: May 4, 2014
Replies: 4823halcyon May 16, 2018 at 12:52 pm
Lilith7, isn’t Gloriavale a working model of socialism when the organisation takes care of and provides for the needs of the group. Is it any different from our Government exploring ways of taking money from those who have and sharing it with those who have not.
Surely we should support all models that make provision to supply the needs of all members of the group?
Already disturbed, approach with caution.#1680477don021MemberMember since: May 15, 2012
Replies: 1677don021 May 16, 2018 at 3:49 pm
Beware, thieves are about. This morning I received an E mail supposedly from ASB, addressed Dear Valued Customer. An incredibly obvious scam, I do not have an account with ASB so am not a Valued Customer. A reply address was attached with a mention of an update to my account. Could anyone fall for this rubbish?#1680482Hero42MemberMember since: July 18, 2008
Replies: 11575Hero42 May 16, 2018 at 4:17 pm
No we shouldn’t support all models as not all models are acceptable.
We need to evaluate the models and decide if it is acceptable to us as a society before we support it.
But this being a free society if one supports Gloriavale and the way it operates then one can go and join. Seemingly though the number joining is far outstripped by the numbers managing to leave. However given that contraception seems to be banned there the numbers are growing as more children are born than families leaving.
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