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  • #1671997
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    kaiapoiken

    There probably will be better ways in the future but ATM we have very little alternative to try and stop these cretins from causing the mayhem they are. Why should we put up with these low-lifes carrying out there criminal activities and being cried over by the dogooders & PC brigade while the innocent victims and the Police who we charge with looking after us are ignored or denigrated by them and the media. What’s the bet that when the criminals who got themselves killed are named they will be lauded as what good boys they were and how they will be sadly missed by their families. Utter bullshit. The only thing they will probably be missed for is the “earnings” they will no longer be able to provide their “Family”. Conveniently the trauma the officers who conducted the chase will be going through will be overlooked or they will be stigmatised by the PC Brigade for carrying out their job of trying to protect the general public.

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    Bryan

    Maybe drone technology could help in the future.

    I also heard that on talk/back radio later in the evening, But until they can come up with an alternative I can’t see a way around chasing them. What’s the alternative? When there’s an armed robbery do the police just stop and let them get away once they hit 110kph? I’m sorry the only thing I can think of is when a person has an accident that results in a death through “High Speed” they are charged with Murder!

    My heart goes out the loved ones of the person killed. RIP

    At Home, At Peace and Causing Trouble In South Taranaki

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    #1672023
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    don021

    Why must the media always refer to fleeing drivers as a Police Chase? Why not correctly call it driver fleeing from Police? Death of drivers fleeing police should be recorded as suicide.

    #1672030
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    kaiapoiken

    I agree with you Bryan in so much as if an innocent party is involved I would like to see the perpetrator charged with at the very least manslaughter. Obvious these criminals know that the Police are hamstrung by their chase protocols and will only keep doing what they are doing because they, the crims, stand a good chance of getting away. The media have a habit of portraying the police in the villain roll and what you say don021 makes perfect sense to me. Reading the records of the two crims in this mornings paper just shows that they are not worth wasting one’s breath on. I sometimes wonder if what I suspect would be old Ockers remedy had some merit.

    #1672036
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    lilith7

    I haven’t seen anyone say that the criminals should be able to do as they like,nor that those involved in chases should get off Scot free.

    Its a tricky situation for police to have to deal with – perhaps one of the most difficult, & different countries have different ways of dealing with it.  The main problem is the high possibility that an innocent person/s may be killed or injured if something goes wrong,as happened recently.

    Queensland presently has a ban on chases unless there are extenuating circumstances & perhaps it might be worth looking into how well that’s working.

     

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/03/should-new-zealand-follow-queensland-s-ban-on-police-pursuits.html

    “Last October, a car in a police chase ploughed through her fence and smashed into her house in Horotiu, North Waikato. The out-of-control car narrowly missed her six-year-old boy, who was playing outside.

    “His car had stopped 8m away from my son on the trampoline and 7m from my daughters, who were thankfully on the couch instead of where they normally would have been at that time of day in the backyard,” Ms Newton said.

    Police told her they had abandoned the pursuit, but Ms Newton says they were right behind and in her backyard within seconds.

    She says police chases are too risky.

    “For every one person they’re chasing, there’s hundreds of thousands of innocent people standing around going about their day.”

     

    Coincidentally,there was a crash in our street just last week. Police were chasing a young man in a car (probably stolen) when they withdrew because they realised there would be children outside who might be injured;nonetheless the driver continued speeding,hit a first lamppost,tearing a chunk out of it,then a tree at which point the car flipped onto its roof. When police arrived, the car couldn’t be opened so the window had to be broken to get him out.

     

    I don’t think anyone has the answer to this one but its probably worth trying methods used elsewhere which work well.

    #1672090
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    janda

    I think once the adrenaline rush or whatever has kicked in, they keep going until they usually crash. Road spikes don’t stop them, they keep on driving on the rims.

    As an aside, I see in the NZ Herald that Australian bikie gangs are setting up in NZ, centred around Tauranga, and swearing in criminals who have been deported here. It will make organised crime and the drug trade much harder to control. Something more for our overworked police to deal with.

    from Stoke, Nelson 😛

    #1672099
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    kentarms

    Maybe drone technology could help in the future.

    I also heard that on talk/back radio later in the evening, But until they can come up with an alternative I can’t see a way around chasing them. What’s the alternative? When there’s an armed robbery do the police just stop and let them get away once they hit 110kph? I’m sorry the only thing I can think of is when a person has an accident that results in a death through “High Speed” they are charged with Murder!
    My heart goes out the loved ones of the person killed. RIP

    They will never be charged with Murder in NZ
    As you must know by now it is illegal to defend yourself in this country

    #1672104
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    kaiapoiken

    don021 – you make a very good point and it is something that annoys me intensely. The implication of the heading always implies that it is the fault of the Police. But, since when did the truth sell newspapers?

    lilith7 – The Queensland method was discussed the other night on TV and a spokesman from the AA pointed out that the roads in Queensland are different to ours and any method would need some adaptation. I am informed by my SIL that chase tactics are discussed by front line officers and they hate chases too. BUT, what options do they have? They are bound to enforce the Law on our behalf.

    kentarms – Yes we must not defend ourselves as we may inpinge upon the perpetrators HUMAN RIGHTS. Sickening EH?

    #1672187
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    lilith7

    I think its clear that we need to try to come up with another way;the thing which struck me most about the recent crash here was that both cops were very charged with adrenaline (as is only natural under those circumstances) & some of us had to point out that there was petrol was dripping onto the road,& there were wisps of smoke coming from the engine – which they hadn’t noticed till then,being busy getting the young & stupid driver out & dealing with him.

    Janda suggested using drones, & that could be a possibility worth looking at.

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    #1672206
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    kaiapoiken

    Yes I suppose getting the idiot out before the whole lot went up in flames was the wisest course of action. Did any of the by-standers think to get out fire extinguishers or something similar to help or were they too busy rubber-necking? An all too common factor these days.

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