- #1694295Bryan September 8, 2018 at 8:40 am
Seems to be a no brainer to me but getting it into the thick sculls of some NZ drivers would be an imposable task!
At Home, At Peace and Causing Trouble In South Taranaki#1694298jennifer128355MemberMember since: January 13, 2018
Replies: 349jennifer128355 September 8, 2018 at 11:08 am
The road toll will never go down with the population going up!#1694299paulinemMemberMember since: July 8, 2006
Replies: 639paulinem September 8, 2018 at 11:25 am
Rubbish Jennifer the cars today are built much sturdier and are safer to drive in than in previous time and the only reason the population is increasing is immigrants . Certainly not because of our birth population is increasing, that has dramatically decreased for some years now.
Not sure if immigrants are big on driving etc suspect may are too busy getting established with a home and job to buy their own vehicle to drive around. But what has changed is in years past the average person was happy to walk more and catch public transport for short trips etc. Now its very common for especially our young to jump into a vehicle for even short walking distance s to get milk from the local dairy.
Plus it must be safer with all the advertising etc on safe driving etc and education in the schools re drinking and driving ..AND I like this German idea very good to move to the side of roads when driving on highways#1694303Bryan September 8, 2018 at 11:51 am
There is (or should be) no need to change our laws here to clear a lane for Police, Ambulance Fire Appliances etc as the law already states that when you hear a siren you must pull over and stop leaving a clear lane.
At Home, At Peace and Causing Trouble In South Taranaki#1695092TedE September 13, 2018 at 5:54 pm
i think it is a shame that we quoted come to accept the death of our compatriots as a byproduct/cost of our moving around. The death toll from the horse era was no where as high as we accept now. what I find appalling that we kill someone each day just as a cost of moving. This cost is neither necessary or inevitable. The examples above illustrate that it is not immutable for an advanced economy to accept this sort of cost. When the costs of loss of life and injury are calculated we should incorporate it in our transport costs.
There is another factor that makes the use of the car as a single person conveyance so damaging is the suburbanism has led too is the ammount of space that it takes. The huge cost of parking is not born by the motorist but by all of us and this is cost that is born by those non’vehicle owners to a greater extent in that they need to walk more to get through the parking and their homes are more likely to be further from the centres of population and business where they work. Therefore they are more at risk.
It is quite feasible to reduce the number of fatalities with a more empathetic cohort of drivers. hopefully when the carbon pricing kicks in the drovers will start to be more fuel conscious and thus more considerate drivers. it’s also to be hoped that we will start to make PT more appropriate and able to be used more effectively in the manner of the ZVV system. It is a terrible shame that Christchurch rebuild has not been planned around a rapid congestion free PT system.
SO to finish Jennifer i’m hopeful that we can reduce the road carnage to less than one person per day and do even better than some of our comparable countries.
TedE - Papakura -#1695302Bryan September 14, 2018 at 10:07 am
To a large extent most (maybe all) the cost of our road toll, and, as it’s all built into the overall cost, we never see it, AND, as far as we can see it always happens to someone else so no worry!
That is UNTILL it is someone close to us and we have to go see what happens!! I remember talking to another truck driver, turned out he had been a traffic cop back in the days of the MOT doing the Policing. I asked why ha gave up an easy number like that to do a job like his now. This was when we had to load by hand…No forklifts in those days. To cut to the nitty gritty he said he had gotten sick of (His Words) Scraping a mixture of Blood, Bone & Brains off the Highway. He said when you can still SMELL it when you go to bed after several showers it’s best you get out before………………….
At Home, At Peace and Causing Trouble In South Taranaki#1695353TedE September 14, 2018 at 4:08 pm
Thank you Bryan. That was an important cost that does not get past the accountants. The Police have a very difficult job and they are very dedicated peoplewho do not seem to get the thanks they deserve.
I remember dealing with my first on the job death and going to the home of my compatriot with a young police woman who broke the news to the new widow. she was amazxing and much younger than my 26 at the time.
TedE - Papakura -#1695409jennifer128355MemberMember since: January 13, 2018
Replies: 349jennifer128355 September 15, 2018 at 5:40 am
I’m very well acquainted with the scene the first responders have to face and the sorrow for the families etc. There may be an ounce of logic on how I view things different from you.
Each year, Nationwide, there are around 40,000 fatalities by road accident. So far this year it is around 37,000 odd. My State is around 300 odd.
I shall attach a break down on road accident fatalities, in my State, which if you click on a year, will give you the full break down on any questions you may want answered. You may notice there are many caused by “driver inattentive”.
Mull over it and then you may express your views without second guessing me on my living circumstances. Take care:
#1695415Bryan September 15, 2018 at 9:54 am
- This reply was modified 2 months, 1 week ago by jennifer128355.
Yes Jennifer, it makes for sobering reading.
The problem is to get it through to some of these youngsters that each and every one of those statistics you put up has a family grieving behind it, be it children, wife, Mother & Father etc., We have had a lot of Police shows on TV here lately and what gets me is the number of “repeat” offenders, not just once but 3 ,4 or more times. Some have done jail time even but they still go on doing it.
They try to say they are OK to drive still……….Bulls**t
At Home, At Peace and Causing Trouble In South Taranaki#1695421TedE September 15, 2018 at 12:37 pm
Please accept my apologies Jennifer for any offense I have caused. It was not my intention to comment on your circumstances. My intent was to try and illustrate that we need to change from accepting the current carnage to be hopeful that we can change and reduce it.
We may not be able to eliminate the problems but we surely must be able to do better than our present level of mayhem.
What I was trying to say to you that we must live in hope that we as individuals can bring about change.
Thank you for posting the link to your states statistics:
I wonder if you could give us an indication of the population of your state or a per 100,000 link that might enable us to gain a comparison from your stats to ours?
Also there seems to be a minor shift in 3 years on driver deaths and the increase in Pedalcyclist//pedestrian deaths. Do you have an opinion on that or is this an anomaly for the past couple of years (could increased car safety features be the factor).
I don’t understand the distinction between the Accidents and fatalities. Is that because of multiple deaths in one accident? That sort of indicates a lot of sole occupant cars on your roads, would that be the case?
Please understand that I’m trying to change the NZ experience for the better so I would like to learn what I am able to from other peoples experience. Thank you.
TedE - Papakura -
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