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Legalising Cannibis and NZ Mental health growing problem

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    Hero42
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    Researchers in the US looked at 25 years of survey data in 33 states, including 27 which have legalised medicinal use and seven where it’s legal to smoke for fun. All-up 1.4 million high school students’ responses were looked at.

    According to the findings, published Tuesday (NZ time) in journal JAMA Pediatrics, there was no link between legalisation for medicinal or recreational purposes and increased rates of teenage cannabis use. In fact, they found the opposite.

    “Recreational marijuana laws appear to be associated with a decrease in the odds of both measures of marijuana use, which may be because it is more difficult for teenagers to get marijuana if drug dealers are replaced by licensed dispensaries that require proof of age,” the Montana State University researchers said in a statement.

    The Drug Foundation’s Ross Bell said the results weren’t surprising.
    “The research makes the important but very simple point that drug dealers don’t check ID,” he told Newshub. “To gain access to a cannabis retail store in North America, to get in the door, you have to show ID. I did a tour last year of three jurisdictions… and you literally could not get through the door unless you had valid ID.

    “In New Zealand, young New Zealanders are going to retail outlets run by organised crime – tinny houses don’t check ID. They’re more than happy to sell cannabis and any other drug to young New Zealanders.”

    The Green Party drug reform spokesperson Chloe Swarbrick, said, “We’ve consistently seen, across jurisdictions that have moved to sensible legal regulation of cannabis, that we create a sense of order and control over what is chaos when left to prohibition.

    “With education and meaningful regulation, we take the situation out of the shadows and into the light, where we’re able to effectively build greater community wellbeing and health.”

    Cheers 🙂

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    Some more interesting facts.

    The National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH) – an annual survey run by the US government also shows since 2012, usage rates amongst 12- to 17-year-olds in Colorado has fallen. In 2012 17.6% of 12- to 17-year-olds reported using cannabis in the previous year, and 10.47% in the previous month.

    By 2017, those rates had fallen to 16.97% and 9.02% respectively – backing up what the latest study has found. Across the US, the data shows past-month use for teenagers falling from 9.82% to 6.46% and past-year from 13.86% to 12.19%.

    Cheers 🙂

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    Professor Michelle Glass on cannabis and synthetic cannabinoids
    In less than two years, the deaths of up to 80 New Zealanders have been attributed to synthetic cannabis (known more accurately as synthetic cannabinoids).

    Yet currently little is known about why they are so dangerous and how to treat users presenting at emergency departments.

    Professor Michelle Glass has been studying cannabinoids (both natural and synthetic) for almost 25 years.

    She was recently awarded funding from the Health Research Council to study where the harm is coming from.

    Synthetic cannabinoids are chemical compounds which claim to mimic the effects of THC (aka Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol) – the component of cannabis which creates a high when it interacts with cannabinoid receptors throughout the human brain, Glass says.

    Many people perceive cannabis as safe, she says, but synthetic cannabinoids are definitely not safe.

    “What we’re finding is people thinking ‘oh, it’s just a type of cannabis’. But it’s not. It’s a chemical made into a lab [and] sprayed on to plant material.”

    Synthetics are the most rapidly growing class of recreational drugs and have been in New Zealand around 2008. They are mostly manufactured in China and brought into New Zealand as a white powder which is then sprayed on to plants here.

    “It looks like a plant material if you’re buying it on the street, but it’s not.”

    Today’s synthetic cannabinoids are comprised of many different chemicals, almost certainly more dangerous than earlier forms – and as a result of the spraying, there is no dose control when taking them.

    Because of the ever-changing cocktail of chemicals they contain, they’re also hard to police – neither sniffer dogs or drug tests (which pick up THC) can detect them. Glass says that as a result of this, and their low cost, synthetics are still popular in US states where cannabis is now legal.

    She has reservations about medicinal cannabis regulation in New Zealand as its benefits haven’t yet been sufficiently proven.

    “There’s a real disconnect between what the public accepts around cannabis and what’s actually been shown in clinical trials. In general, the clinical trials are not that persuasive. There’s some evidence of a small effect in certain pain disorders but it’s not a massive effect and it’s certainly not across the board for all pain … let’s develop the products, let’s test them. If they work, then you prescribe them.

    “There’s nothing magical or mystical about cannabis that says we should develop an entirely new regulatory system, we should throw away all the safeguards and processes we’ve put in place over the last 50 years, just for this one particular product, because it comes from a plant. So do most medicines … We’re rushing the regulations, we’re going very fast because there’s this public perception that people are being denied something that might benefit them.

    “Right now we are not funding a lot of medicines that do work, we are not funding a lot of the targeted cancer therapies, for example, that do work. People are ending up in, essentially, medical bankruptcy because of buying the medicines they need. If we start to fund or support or set up an entirely new regulatory agency to allow access to a drug that’s not proven to work… how do we explain that to the people who are not taking these other drugs?”

    Professor Michelle Glass is Head of the Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology at the University of Otago.

     

    #1725758
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    Paulinem
    Synthetic cannabis was National’s idea to curb natural cannabis as they believed it was safer.

    Sadly they were wrong.

    However if natural cannabis is freely available through licensed shops and by people being allowed to grow a few plants of their own then the synthetic cannabis can be got rid of by making it a class A drug.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1725779
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    Paulinem Synthetic cannabis was National’s idea to curb natural cannabis as they believed it was safer. Sadly they were wrong. However if natural cannabis is freely available through licensed shops and by people being allowed to grow a few plants of their own then the synthetic cannabis can be got rid of by making it a class A drug. Cheers 

    Hero how are they going to make sure it is only available at Licensed shops ? Police I dont think so they have enough to do ensure we have with our present society  we have harmony etc  to look after. They dont have the force today to ensure our transport laws are upheld especially with those driving while having a few illegal cannabis inside them. Gangs will still produce as they are today as they will be able to sell it cheaper ie no tax no GST etc. Police will stop them, ah they are not today stopping the gangs so that wont  change. Canabis users will  prefer to buy from gangs as it will be cheaper !

    Hero the latest I have heard with the media is polls say the referendum will get an overwhelming NO to legalizing the crap !

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    Hero I am against access to cannabis as I feel we have enough problems coping with the medical and social problems of smoking cigarettes/tobacco.  As well our society needs to   cope with alcohol abuse as well. I see too bring cannibis into the mix as well is ludicrous.  As I am not only concerned at cannabis negative effect on the mind, re mental health problems we have in NZ. But as well drugs and driving is a real concern. We do not have the funds to ensure  a well resourced police force to ensure a legal cannabis is not abused etc re driving under the influence .

    My mother when I was born  the eighth of eight children to my father and her self. Their oldest was 15years half of her children were normal attention seeking/ demanding teenagers. My mother was forced to move from country to town as when she was carrying me  my father was told by his doctor he had to retire from farming as his health was  failing and seriously concerning, that he was needing  what we get now from public health but not back then considerably nursing attention. In those days the public health provided NO care for sick patients like my dad. The wife was expected to do and be everything for a sick husband and normal demanding children. Naturally this was incredibly stressful for my mother. Her doctors  recommendation  for her for her stress was take up smoking !! As Hero in this  time, smoking was seen as a good stress etc stimulate.

    My father died when I was 8yrs after suffering 4  strokes. My mother by this time was  hooked on smoking, as was most in the community neighbor hood hooked  into smoking cigarettes, as it was seen by the powers that smoking was good stress  stimulate.  Hero my mother died at 73yrs from lung cancer !

    Now you want to bring in cannabis, I suggest if we did then years in the future  this will be cursed as smoking is today. I suggest to you years into the future steps to remove cannabis from the market will be as strong as  the anti smoking campaign of today.

    #1725937
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    Paulinem
    According to NZ Herald in May
    A survey of 1161 Kiwis found 52 per cent would vote in favour of legalising cannabis, with 37 per cent against and 11 per cent with no opinion.

    However in June the herald reported:
    The result, from the 1 NEWS Colmar Brunton Poll, showed that 52 per cent opposed legalisation, while 39 per cent favoured legalisation; 8 per cent did not know and 1 per cent said they would not vote.

    Now it is unlikely that there was such a huge swing given very little has been published about the referendum.

    However it will be interesting to see how things go closer to the time.

    The issue is that cannabis is freely available to kiwis now so do we want to take the gangs out of the equation given they are unlicensed and will push harder drugs on the users or do we want it licensed and a crackdown on unlicensed suppliers.

    I know I would prefer Kiwis to be buying it from known and reputable sources rather than going to one of the gangs.

    But if you want young Kiwis to be going to gang houses and being tempted by harder drugs, often offered as free samples to get them hooked, then you are free to vote against the the law change in the referendum.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1725939
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    Incidentally cannabis doesn’t contain the chemicals that result in lung cancer whereas tobacco does.

    And cannabis can also be ingested rather than smoked preferred.

    Of course it should be noted that as cannabis is great for reducing stress it would have been better had your had access to cannabis instead of tobacco.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1725994
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    That is why we need to legalise it and control its sale and strength to restrict young people getting it. Take it out of the hands of the gangs and put it into licenced premises.

    Hero How are you going to assure this happens as reality-Police I dont think to they have enough to do today …the police do not have the resources to police cannabis and gangs. If cannabis is legalized people wont report any abuse.

    This from the article: Experts – and teenagers themselves – say cannabis has become much more accessible in recent years through Instagram, Snapchat and Facebook. Dealers are openly advertising on the websites. Many display photos of cannabis bagged up and ready to post. Many children believe cannabis is safer than alcohol, as well as being easier to get because they don’t need ID to buy it. Cheers 

    Hero how do assure the public if this drug is legalized that driving under the influence of cannabis wont be a problem ? How do you stop this happening ?

    We are not coping today with problems with alcohol and driving.  How will it be assured that cannabis and alcohol wont be mixed and then if they are driving a vehicle?

     

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    PaulineM you keep pointing to the problems we already have and opining they will still be a problem after legalisation.

    You may be right, especially at first but, in my opinion, the science and surveys tend to show that fewer people will use it, fewer will abuse it, the quality can be controlled, the outlets regulated and the criminal gangs taken out of the big picture.

    And people who use it socially as most others use alcohol, responsibly, should not have to risk a criminal record.

    Arandar

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