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Is it time for NZ to become a Republic.

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    “It is long past time when we should have felt secure enough, mature enough, to let go Mother’s hand.”

    A better idea before that is to  let go of Nanny’s hand.

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    Wow … grown ups discussing having a Republic (after the fact).

    Sorry to break it to you chumps but that horse has left Hobson’s Stable.

    A simple reality check would confirm that the coffers have already been “cleaned out” while you lot were playing “Voting is Democracy” and you were so busy insisting it is true that you didn’t notice the “Family Silver” has semi-attached itself to the “New Regime” or “Corporate Republic” rather than remaining entrusted to the Stewardship of Her Majesties Ministries or being protected by Crown Law (even regional infrastructure was swiped while you watched or participated).

    So you are concerned about having a monarchy in a world where every man and his dog still likes to cock his leg on his own throne- Why not move to America and embrace trump? …
    So you want a Republic like America so we can compete to see who has the best percentage of the population living in poverty under bridges or starving to death on the streets because they are too ugly to solicit the price of a meal as a sex worker.

    I want a gun to protect myself if “Rule of Law” is less important to grownups than becoming a republic (after the fact).

    If I have a gun so should anyone else in a republic… then we can compete with (percentages against) other peaceful countries (like America?) to see how ,many of our “OWN PEOPLE” we can kill at home in their own nation with democratic firearms

    Some of you reckon its ok to pay the (Corporate Republics) New CEOs a “Kings Ransom” for polishing expensive office furniture with their asses… and you want to get rid a Monarchy STRUCTURE that enabled you to have some legal claims to the “Family Silver” (you allowed to be pilfered)? which is now owned (We are told) by Parentless Identities while your own fellow countrymen live in cars or under bridges

    And you want a republic… good fkn heavens
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    I want “Rule of Law” so I can (be protected from idiots and) have a little stability and you folk just want another over paid executive to trump? elected prime ministers?
    But surely both have proven to be failures especially without “Rule of Law” to protect the People and their Interests in common 😕

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    Small wonder this person was unable to muster credible numbers in support of his party (of one?)

    Mr Dunne challenged the new Parliament to “seize the moment” and begin the process of wider constitutional reform, starting with making the next Head of State the first President of the Republic of New Zealand.

    So he is challenging the new parliament to ignore Fiduciary Duties possibly because he is very good at ignoring duties relative to positions of trust?

    Yea hes done or is it overdone dunn-oh dunn-ee… going anyway…yay like another little turd

    It is long past time when we should have felt secure enough, mature enough, to let go Mother’s hand.

    Ha ha ha ha I can just imagine dunn in drag with you holding her hand 🙂

    Surely that tells us mum Is much more concerned with her other children; those who lived at home their whole lives.

    Like all those Arabs? ..A Monarchy Structure is Female you say? …. that’s a Bitch …What sex is a corporate republic ❓ … because I want to cock it up 🙂

    Okay arandar. My first value that I would like to see included is Freedom of Speech. Every citizen needs the right to express an opinion on any topic. Sure, there needs to be some protection in respect of personal attacks and outright lies. But a genuine opinion that is respectfully worded should be acceptable even if others do not agree with the statement.

    We are getting there already but I can assure you that it wasn’t that long ago that outspoken folk were set upon or institutionalized regularly. 😐

    Personally I feel that “Freedom of Speech” is a given and that what you really want is “Freedom from Oppression” (which is the only thing that would interfere with “Freedom of Speech”) 😎

    There is no need to change the philosophy that underpins our Justice systems.

    Do tell just what are those philosophies? Do any of them represent honour?

    NZ now has its own Court of Last Appeal. No longer do we rely on the Privy Council for final declaration.

    Yes wasn’t that all scripted by the same same authors of the Theft and Laundering of investments in infrastructure? Could it not be that the intention of the thieving sods in playing with the Court’s Conventional standards of Conduct was to avoid Legal redress to the best of their abilities? … Did they have a mandate to deny (potentially more impartial) avenues of justice to be available to the People of New Zealand?

    The biggest problem is focusing the discussion on logic rather than on emotional debate.

    Yes it was a labour government under which the 1984 Coup d’état was facilitated and yes that party certainly ensured that “Rule of Law” was subjugated by that which is defined in NZ Legislation as being a Serious Criminal Offence… with the resultant “Unnecessarily Higher Cost of Living” (Threshold for Poverty) which has the most significant effects upon those on low or fixed incomes.
    As such we can probably expect more of that “Anything Goes” Criminal style (oppressive) behavior.

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    Critic, it must be hard being the lone  voice of reason in a crazy world. This is why I identified “Freedom of Speech” as the  first value I would like to see protected. It allows for lone voices “crying in the wilderness”.

    And while I respect your right to your point of view, I do not agree that it is correct. However, having seen you and Jens spend hours debating the cause of poverty, I do not have the energy of entering into a long debate on this topic.

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    If New Zealand is to move ahead independently and grow as a nation and a society,we need to let go of the monarchy.Yet if we do, we risk problems which have over and over been displayed in republics. The corruption , the human foolishness et al will still be there only a different heading. You might say that Russia is better off without the tsars,after all it’s people are no longer serfs. But you still have a priveledged class lording it over the rest. China ditched the emperors. But there,inspite of all their talk, there are still priveledged people,who have special advantages and even get the best food.If you doubt that there is still an overworked underclass there, look at the factories there where people are paid abominably lows,and those wages are grudgingly given ,even though people work long hours. Germany used to be a monarchy and looked what happened.Italy used to be a monarchy,so did Greece. Then there are african and south American republics-things havent worked out well for them either. Yet a society with a monarch has a problem too. So what will it be New Zealand? The money or the bag? The frying pan or the fire?

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    No to a Republic. The world is very unstable at the moment. We need all the allies we can get in our isolated state. Besides I might lose my Sirdom. 😉

    Happy Valley

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    And while I respect your right to your point of view, I do not agree that it is correct.

    The comments I made to you were about freedom of speech (which was on your wish list… I pointed out that we had it and that “Oppression” is that which can interfere with “freedom of speech”… you disagree big deal 🙂
    Which comes to

    There is no need to change the philosophy that underpins our Justice systems.

    You still have not explained what you believe that Philosophy to be… so just “empty words” was it? …
    I might agree if you meant “empty words if without accountability or enforcement”

    The biggest problem is focusing the discussion on logic rather than on emotional debate.

    Now you post

    And while I respect your right to your point of view, I do not agree that it is correct. However, having seen you and Jens spend hours debating the cause of poverty, I do not have the energy of entering into a long debate on this topic.

    From all that I got the impression you feel that discussing the clear wording of the Legislation that underpins our justice system amounts to emotional debate? … then you are right we will not agree but on the bright side we have “freedom of speech” to thank for you to be able to express that

    But if you happen to have a reality check in years to come you will find that the coffers have indeed already been cleaned out and the facts already speak for themselves on that one…. Opinions will not change those facts just like it is a fact that the labour party led the republican movement (and business roundtable) to victory long ago but you stragglers seem to be unaware of the facts

    Perhaps (very slow) republicans would be wiser to check out legislation promulgated since the 1984 coup like the “Constitution Act 1986”

    This Act was prepared by a criminally inclined labour government and it is this piece of legislation you back seat republicans wish to challenge but I suggest it was prepared in 1986 for very good reasons …. probably the same reasons that legislation relating to Sedition were repealed by the same players …. Yep dgraham went on to better things (more obvious fraud) as a sir but gpalmer kept pushing his criminally inclined perspective at the Crown Law office.

    Don’t worry about if you agree with me or the facts halcyon …. worry or wonder why you republicans are so bloody slow (years behind) at catching up with reality

    just saying 🙂

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    I have a question for you slow republicans…

    The apron strings you believe you have and want to cut …. Would these be our ties to the Commonwealth (which appears to now represent the Corporate wealth)? 🙂

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    Was not majority loyalty  to the  non-republican status  quo reflected in the  recent  flag  referendum ?

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    Unfortunately jens, it would be erroneous to interpret the results of the flag referendum as being a vote to retain the monarchy. There were several confounding variables at play. The choice of options for the new flag was one. The opposition by the Labour supporters, even though it was a Labour policy, was another.

    The reason why I voted against changing the flag was due to the choices of new flag. Our current one was better. However, if we were offered the choice again, and a reasonable selections of new flags was available, I would vote to change our flag.

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