- #1733872don021MemberMember since: May 15, 2012
Replies: 1853don021 October 4, 2019 at 12:53 pm
As I undestand it, an automatic weapon will continue firing as long as the trigger is pulled or there are rounds in the magazine. Semi automatic is the same as self loading, the trigger must be pulled for each shot, so the magazine is emptied as quick as the trigger can be pulled.#1733917kaiapoikenMemberMember since: November 27, 2015
Replies: 305kaiapoiken October 4, 2019 at 5:54 pm
Yeah Don, that’s the way I understood it from my time in the Army. But, I wasn’t sure if the modern weapons still had the same condition. The only automatic weapon I remember using was the Sten. All weapons were restricted by the number of rounds in the magazine and I gather the current regulations restrict the size of the mags and there ability to act as Autos.#1734189gbly86290MemberMember since: December 17, 2014
Replies: 44gbly86290 October 7, 2019 at 5:13 pm
And all this because some raving nutter Ozzie wanted, for as yet an unknown motive, his moment of notariety! The next nutter may use a bomb, causing many more causulalties, so banning semi-automatics may not save anybody. How many law abiding gun owners committed similar type crimes in NZ? Very few or perhaps none! So this banning may yet prove a waste of time and money, but a great opportunity for the pollies to gain coverage for doing “something”.#1737217phun83179MemberMember since: November 19, 2013
Replies: 34phun83179 November 15, 2019 at 2:32 pm
I don’t doubt there are too many guns in the country. It also seems a lot of gun owners do not have their firearms secured in a locked cabinet (as is the law when you apply/re-apply)
But here’s a thought: If you checked every death in NZ caused by a gun in the last (say) 20 years, I suggest you would find most of the guns involved were/are legal to own. I understand some of those involved may be in the hands of the wrong people (i.e. stolen), but
I can’t remember any being MSSA or similar/modified weapons.
I don’t see any need for anyone to own an MSSA or any rapid fire weapon. So the gun buy-back is not going to make much difference as in the light of previous posts, they are almost “pouring” into the country. Is this yet another “feel good” policy of the Government?
Don’t get me wrong, I am all for a safe country, but from my experience and what I see, there is no change in the safety for us all. This guy in Christchurch was a curve ball, but who could have seen that coming? A more rigorous application system may help, and it would be handy to know how many guns there are but politicians are looking at votes!
phun83179#1737224steph154370MemberMember since: August 12, 2018
Replies: 433steph154370 November 15, 2019 at 3:32 pm
How many guns do we need in New Zealand?We don’t actually need any. Some people want them, but that is not the same as needing them. Think about it. People who go hunting with a gun mostly do so as recreation,not in order to eat, in any case.They do have accidents too sometimes. They will mistake someone for a deer . They can find another hobby. There are lots to choose from.People feel safer if nobody has a gun-with good reason.
#1737231arandarMemberMember since: November 23, 2009
- This reply was modified 3 months, 1 week ago by steph154370.
Replies: 10854arandar November 15, 2019 at 3:56 pm
I take your point Steph but I don’t agree.
I needed my guns when I was farming for both pest control and for the humane killing of injured animals (once my own horse who’d broken his leg which was a desperately sad day) or to provide food for us and our dogs.
I didn’t need anything bigger or faster than my .22 and my 303.
No one other than defence or police personnel, needs MSSA firearms. If they’re to be used for competition, (are they?) then they can be stored at the gun club armoury.
All firearms should be registered to a licensed owner. Identifying and quantifying the hazard makes it easier manage the hazard.
There was another school shooting today in the US. Our police walk into possible danger every time they attend a Family Harm situation.
They are few but they’re out there. The mentally unstable, the angry, the single issue nutters walk amongst us every day. If we take their MSSAs from them we can reduce at least some of the risks they pose.
Arandar#1738786TedEMemberMember since: May 6, 2006
Replies: 2283TedE December 10, 2019 at 2:40 pm
It will be interesting to see the new Gun register implemented and how that is going to work.
Does this now mean that each firearm is identifiable by owner as it was when I first bought a rifle? I hope so. That will mean that any firearm can then be tagged to a specific owner.
I feel that it is going to take a few years now to reduce the number of firearms that are going to show up. Especially in that the Gun lobbyists were saying how many firearms there are in NZ and the numbers that were being imported each year in recent times. Either they must be sitting in Gun shops or they have been sold and there is a big discrepancy between the number of firearms handed in and those believed to have been imported.
TedE - Papakura -#1739428TedEMemberMember since: May 6, 2006
Replies: 2283TedE December 21, 2019 at 11:26 pm
Do you think that there is a need for private ownership of handguns?
I feel that there is no need for them in our environment and they are too easily carried as a concealed weapon. I think they should be banned as well, I cannot perceive there is a need for them in NZ. That applies to both powder and gas/air powered.
The use of them for target shooting is not a a reason to continue with this as a sport.
TedE - Papakura -#1739430don021MemberMember since: May 15, 2012
Replies: 1853don021 December 22, 2019 at 12:13 pm
I agree TedE that there is no need for handguns, it should be noted that Air powered firearms are classified as firearms so firearms laws apply, and quite rightly. I have owned both hanguns, in the States, and rifles air powered and know they are lethal.
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