- #1714619arandar March 19, 2019 at 7:59 am
True, Ted. Not something I approve or understand – nor do I call it hunting, actually, more like shooting fish in a barrel. And it leads to the sort of disgusting behaviour when rich people pay fortunes to shoot endangered trophy animals, elephants, lions, tigers, giraffes, fgs.
We hosted tourists on our farm and sometimes took them on guided hunts.
A very few brought their guns with them having complied with our stringent laws to import but most by far borrowed/hired a rifle from our guides. After showing us their gun licences of course and informing us of their experience.
Ours were ‘proper’ hunts – no guaranteed finds or kills or helicopters or bearers – hike for miles on your own two feet in and out; if you’d been lucky, with your pig or deer over your own shoulders – and our guides carried your guns because, as 1 said to me, “I don’t want a stranger with a firearm behind me.”
Arandar#1714664Hero42MemberMember since: July 18, 2008
Replies: 11677Hero42 March 19, 2019 at 4:57 pm
This is an interesting article that outlines how we got here and what people can buy.
Cheers 🙂#1714678TedEMemberMember since: May 6, 2006
Replies: 2239TedE March 19, 2019 at 10:16 pm
Thanks for that Hero42, the law is even more lax than I thought. The article seemed to make the case that the situation is out of control and it would not be right to try and change the present situation. Those who currently have these weapons are all good guys and should be allowed to get on with it.
Is disagree. We need to bite the bullet and get on with it now.
I am of the opinion that a .22 is just as dangerous as those of the larger calibre. So
I think that all automatic or semi automatic weapons need to be removed.
I also believe that we have no place in NZ for handguns of an sort.
Pistol shooters will get over it in just a few years we shouldn’t even notice they’ve gone.
Air/gas powered rifles and pistols are no longer the toys they once were and again the repeat actions were a terrible waste of ammunition as I saw it, when, as a teenager I first came across them. (They were a big advance on the pump and load and for me to expensive to dream of operating.)
When I was learning to shoot we used a single shot .22 with a piece of number 8 wire to eject the cartridge. I only got one shot, so it had to count. My father was always insistent on the projectile still being lethal at 1 mile (not that I ever tested that as I feel the projectile probably went end over end). But his insistence of considering where the projectile was going to end up was an important part of his instructions and the consideration of ricochet so that the angles need to be considered carefully. This is not something the modern film makers seem to consider and I think leads to much of todays modern blase attitudes to firearms and there, especially when you so often see high powered guns used on the streets where shotguns are more appropriate.
Using high powered wepons in indoors is another one of those film maker no no’s cos if the wall is light timber framed it’s not likely to stop it and you don’t know what’s on the other side, if it’s a concrete apartment building then it’s likely to whistle around a few walls before it’s spent unless the angle is acute only then it will embed itself so when the police carry a handgun of larger calibre into a building there is a lot for them to consider prior to firing. You really need to be sure that the body mass is going to hold that projectile.
All things considered the fewer firearms we have in NZ with lethal potential the better.
Those living on farms have reason for them and most farmers are a bit wary of the weekend warriors who want to shoot in their areas, but bolt action with 5 round magazine is quite adequate. i understand the deer cullers need for semi-automatics when helicopter shooting but those who undertake that roll are working under the auspices of the DOC. I’m sure that there can be a legitimate special license category for the few who undertake that sort of roll.
TedE - Papakura -#1714684TailsNZMemberMember since: October 31, 2010
Replies: 62TailsNZ March 20, 2019 at 9:11 am
the gun lobby bought out national in the 80’s??? i think it was, and stopped registering the firearm in favour of registering the user. well that was a failure and even recently paula bennet admitted being bought out by the gun lobby when law change was discussed. as a hunter and culler in my younger days i owned three guns. a shotgun for rabbit, a 22 for rabbit and possum and a 308 for larger animals. none of these were semi automatic or had a scope. if you take your time you don’t need either. i have seen idiots with semi auto’s and they tend to spray and pray rather than take their time to get a clean kill shot. the other thing is i hunted alone… i don’t trust adrenalin rushes in other people who have a fire arm in their hands. fire arms are not the issue, there is a place for them. but the type of fire arm available needs to be managed carefully. someone in an earlier post said a bolt action with a 5 shot magazine was enough. i agree. if you can’t hunt with that you shouldn’t be out there.#1714691MC39412MemberMember since: July 29, 2009
Replies: 1MC39412 March 20, 2019 at 12:37 pm
To store peoples firearms in a central depository is ridiculous idea. If someone wants to go for a hunt why should they drive miles to sign out their legally acquired gun and miles back afterward? Making firearms licencing a chore like licencing your car – you must be joking. Licencing my car was no chore, I did it on line. Firearms must already be stored under lock and key in an approved, checked by police, container. To gain a firearms licence you must sit an exam, have your background checked by police and have two people support your application where they are interviewed privately about you and your reason for owning a fire arm. If police were warned about the suitability of some gun club members to have firearms, then the police would have or should have checked this out.
Owning automatic firearms and pistols you require a special licence, and handguns have even more stringent regulations.
To go off on rants over gun ownership when the huge majority of firearm owners have a genuine reason to own them, and are careful cautious people is the usual knee jerk reaction. How many people in NZ are killed by people driving cars, children killed by those who should be protecting them, people killing themselves because they feel their lives are such shit. Why don’t you all address these issues?
I have been reading on social media some of the worst racist and hate writings on the issue of this murder that occurred in Christchurch, and they are written by people who state they are against racism and hatred. This country is full of underlying hate, and what needs to be addressed is the social problems that lead toward this, and toward people in our society like the murderer at the Mosques.#1714695arandar March 20, 2019 at 1:17 pm
What might be some of the reasons why someone needs a military style firearm at home, albeit safely and legally stored, please?
Arandar#1714750steph154370MemberMember since: August 12, 2018
Replies: 256steph154370 March 20, 2019 at 7:57 pm
Its quite simple Arandar-there are no reasons whatsoever why anyone would need a military style firearm at home. albeit safely and legally stored. The sole purpose of such weapons is to kill people.#1714798don021MemberMember since: May 15, 2012
Replies: 1711don021 March 21, 2019 at 11:57 am
I have been a “gun nut” all my life, from a very young age when I was given an air rifle and used to shoot blackbirds in orchards in exchange for fruit, to in later years firing many hundreds/thousands of rounds in many types of firearms, including automatic weapons. 24 years in the military had me trained in weapon safety and use. I achieved enough skill to win contests in Hong Kong, top shot in the annual all military shoot, top shot on a Marine range in the U.S.A. and success at Deer Stalkeres Assn. shoots. None of this gave me any wish to own, or shoot, an automatic weapon in civil life, thay are for the military only. Auto loading weapons may be needed by some professional shooters but I do not believe by private shooters.#1714806arandar March 21, 2019 at 1:02 pm
100% support for that, Don.
But I still wonder why so many people say they need military style firearms? Why? To do what?
Arandar#1714829Hero42MemberMember since: July 18, 2008
Replies: 11677Hero42 March 21, 2019 at 4:18 pm
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has announced a ban on all military-style semi-automatic weapons and all assault rifles.
As of 3pm today an order in council took effect. The changes to the regulations would mean the firearms were now catergorised as needing an E-class licence endorsement.
This means no one will be able to buy the weapons without police approval. Ms Ardern said there was no point in applying for one.
What struck me most in the report was this:
“We’re in the dark as to how many of these are in circulation,” Ms Ardern said, referring to the number of weapons the government might have to buy back.
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