- October 10, 2008 at 10:13 pm #364671
And yes, Helen did not damn Winston in any way. She always said she would wait for all the facts before any decision was made. National won’t work with Peters, he has already stated this.
Will Peters work with Labour again? That is the question, one he is not likely to answer, yet. But Helen could still need him, so she played a very safe game by not condemning Peters in the first place.
Show’s how canny she is. She’s a lean, mean, political machine for sure! 😆October 10, 2008 at 11:16 pm #364673
Here is something else for everyone to consider:
According to Hansard Transcripts which are the written transcripts taken direct from all Parliamentry debates and votes taken in the Chamber at any given time…
21 May 2007— Kiwisaver…………………………National voted against it.
13 Dec 2005 — Working for Families……………National voted against it.
14 Aug 2007 — Cheaper Dr Visits……………….National voted against it.
24 Aug 2004 — 20 hrs free pre-school ………..National voted against it.
28 Jun 2001 –Raised Trainee minimum wage…National voted against it.
Bear in mind, the Hansard Transcripts bears the same weight in Law as all transcripts from the Criminal Law Court proceedures in NZ.October 11, 2008 at 7:18 am #364675
Thank you Vixie for your honest reply.Still can’t wait for the Elections though.May the best Man/Woman win.:DOctober 11, 2008 at 11:11 am #364677
Defence Long Term Development Plan Update Released
Defence Minister Phil Goff today released the September 2008 update of the Defence Long Term Development Plan (LTDP).
“The fourth update indicates the major progress which has been made in rebuilding the New Zealand Defence Force, which by 1999 had suffered cuts in expenditure by National of more than 30 per cent,” Phil Goff said.
“The LTDP was the Labour Government’s response to the increasing obsolescence of Defence Force equipment across all three services by the end of the last decade.
“Expenditure of nearly $4 billion under the Long Term Defence Programme represents the largest single commitment of capital funding for Defence since the 1950’s.
“It has provided financial certainty around plans to strengthen the Army, extend the role of the Navy and upgrade the Air Force. It has been a much welcomed and effective replacement for the former ad hoc defence procurement process,” Phil Goff said.
“Equipment which our troops in 1999 would have considered state of the art, such as night vision goggles, electronic counter-measures, secure tactical communications and real time intelligence and surveillance capabilities are or shortly will be part of the normal operating inventory.
“Among the highlights this year will be the return of the first upgraded 757 modified for cargo as well as passengers, and the completion of the prototype upgrade C-130 Hercules and P3 Orions.
“Our first NH-90 medium utility helicopter will come off the production line in France within the next month or so, and we now have placed an order for new Agusta-Westland 109LUHs.These represent a generational change and state of the art equipment which will be among the most useful and heavily utilised additions to the Defence Force, playing a key role across all three Services.
“The Update Report outlines equipment received, approved and in acquisition phase and approved in principle.
“As was acknowledged at the RSA National Council yesterday, the New Zealand Defence Force will end the first decade of the 21st Century in much better shape than it ended the last decade of the 20th Century,” Phil Goff said.October 11, 2008 at 11:18 am #364679
NZ Energy Strategy Speech…updated 10 October 2007 : By Helen Clark
“”Last week the British Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, invited New Zealand to participate in talks to develop an international emissions trading market.
The government has accepted his invitation, and looks forward to New Zealand being in on the ground floor of the development of what will be an important new market in the twenty-first century.
Two weeks ago the United Nations announced that New Zealand will be the lead country in the celebration of World Environment Day in 2008. Our country was chosen because of our pioneering role in working for a sustainable future.
The recognition that New Zealand is taking action on these issues is vital to the promotion and protection of our international image.
Our reputation as a country with a clean and green environment is priceless. Failure to protect it by inaction on sustainability would pose a considerable economic risk to New Zealand.””””
Ministry of Economic Development.October 11, 2008 at 1:27 pm #364681
I am amazed that Labour have the cheek to mention the defense force, they have almost killed it.
One of the bigs things I have against National is they plan to continue with this emissions trading scheme, it does nothing for the environment and gives them an excuse for more tax.October 11, 2008 at 3:32 pm #364683
oldkiwikidMemberMember since: November 26, 2006
The main target of the ETS is to lower CO2 emissions to save the ozone layer. When I went to school, CO2 was heavier than air, and as far as I can tell, still is, so can someone please explain to poor ignoramous me, just how CO2 can RISE through air to damage the ozone layer.October 12, 2008 at 1:48 pm #364685
It sits rises into the air and sits there, it is also absorbed into the sea and sits there too, creating huge bubbles of gas, that scientists now think could be responsible for large sunami’s yet to come. Why don’t you go on the net and check this out for yourself OKK. You may be surprised at how little you know, as I was.:roll:October 12, 2008 at 4:55 pm #364687
oldkiwikidMemberMember since: November 26, 2006
And how little I really want to knowOctober 12, 2008 at 5:10 pm #364689
Closed minds never run free. 🙄October 12, 2008 at 6:36 pm #364691
Vixie I think you mind needs to be a bit emoptier because if you believe everything you read on the internet you know nothing. What crap to say bubbles of CO2 can cause anything like a sunami. And to say it is yet to come shows there is no real science behind that claim at all.October 12, 2008 at 6:43 pm #364693
There you go again Jack, showing what a closed mind you’ve got. Go read an environmental magazine, if you don’t beleive what you can find and read on the net. I can’t be bothered with you because you only believe what you want to believe, and obviously you are too old to change your views. You appear to condemn anything that is adverse to your personal views, even though there are facts to state the opposite. ..and they say the young never learn! 🙄October 12, 2008 at 8:24 pm #364695
Science is very mixed on global warming, some think it’s man made, most think its a natural cycle, others think we have global cooling.
Politicians go for man made because they can tax that:lol:
Vixie tsunami can be caused by earthquakes, volcanic activity, never heard of CO2 bubble, can you give a source?October 12, 2008 at 9:00 pm #364697
Heres the website: http://www.geotimes.org/nov04/feature.html
"""In the Gulf of Mexico, methane rises rapidly from below the seafloor and creates gas hydrate mounds. (This particular article had a photo, but I couldn’t down-load it).
This carbon pool, however, is sensitive to relatively small changes in deep-ocean temperature and sea level. Thus, in the past, gas hydrates may have destabilized, releasing methane into the atmosphere through gas bubbles rising rapidly through the water column or gas hydrates floating to the surface. Because methane is about 10 times more powerful a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, its release could have resulted in a potentially abrupt climate change.
Gas hydrates occur in permafrost regions as well as beneath and just above the seafloor on the slopes flanking every continent, where the pressure is high and the temperature is low. Both industry and the academic community are studying the substances to better understand their past, present and future roles for climate, energy and development.
Some researchers speculate that blowouts of marine gas hydrates in the geologic past may have released enough methane, a potent greenhouse gas, to drive up global temperatures. Additionally, some researchers hypothesize that when hydrates broke away from steep slopes on the seafloor, they could have triggered massive seafloor avalanches and even tsunamis. Other scientists are investigating the potential of gas hydrates, onshore and offshore, as a future energy source.
Lisa M. Pinsker"""
There is a long convoluting debate about what larger and larger deposits of carbon dioxide do to the ocean, and it’s cycles, and what the possible outcomes of the above scenario could mean. Lemin, I’m glad you asked for evidence..thank you.October 12, 2008 at 9:43 pm #364699
Just sit in a bath of water,and Fart.Same conclusion,but 1000000 times more potent.:D:D:D:D:DOctober 12, 2008 at 9:43 pm #364701
O.K. there. But where is the proof?
All you have produced is some crap that says,
“Some researchers speculate
“some researchers hypothesize.
But there was some interesting info in that article though,
“Other scientists are investigating the potential of gas hydrates, onshore and offshore, as a future energy source.”
See what I mean about just copying without reading it and trying to understand what it is saying. It is all speculation and NOT FACTS at all,October 12, 2008 at 9:53 pm #364703
I found that interesting but read it different, the gas is methane not CO2.
CO2 is mentioned quote
” methane is about 10 times more powerful a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide”
The last paragraph mentions a theory that gas may have caused a avalanche that caused a tsunami, just a theory and nothing to do with man made emissions.October 12, 2008 at 9:55 pm #364705
Mona I will not sit in a bath with you:lol:October 12, 2008 at 9:57 pm #364707
:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:October 12, 2008 at 9:58 pm #364709
But it would be good Eh!
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