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Global Warming – what are we doing?

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  • #1725502
    Hero42
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    Hero42

    Mommabear
    Henri is very capable of answering for himself as he seems a smart guy. He doesn’t need me toi answer for him.

    But I am also curious as to know why you would ask that question?

    Cheers 🙂

    #1725504
    Hero42
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    Hero42

    Halcyon
    I crunched the numbers around the CO2 created by running the internet and it turns out the average internet users generates about the same amount of CO2 per annum as it takes to produce a 250 gram steak.

    So although I consider myself as a less than average user given the amount of data I use each month I will do my bit and eat one less steak per annum to make up for my use of the internet.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1725505
    Hero42
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    Hero42

    Here is an interesting article with facts countering a previous article that contained opinions but no facts.

    This kind of response is a great way of informing and responding to uninformed opinions.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/07/james-renwick-climate-change-deniers-arguments-are-fact-free.html

    Cheers 🙂

    #1725506
    Hero42
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    Hero42

    I found this a useful article when it comes to deciding if someone is a sceptic or a denier.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/07/conor-whitten-facts-of-climate-change-can-t-be-denied.html

    It is OK to ask questions because you are sceptical, as Halcyon does, but if one ignores or cannot disprove the facts and figures given in answers to the questions then one becomes a denier like Mommabear.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1725507
    Hero42
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    Hero42

    And if you are sceptical (English spelling) then I suggest you peruse this site which uses the american spelling.

    https://skepticalscience.com/

    All your questions should be answered here.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1725558
    mommabear70
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    mommabear70

    Henri, it’s quite simple really.

    Some time back, hero42 decided that a rob23 and myself are one and the same because we both use the same words and phrases. That got me thinking. For a start, every time member A agrees with member B’s post and even quotes it and adds ‘I agree’ then they are doing exactly the same and thus can be deemed that members A and B are also one and the same.
    Over recent times since you joined the group I’ve noticed that you and hero42 operate in similar styles and ways. Often you’ll both use the same words and phrases. Sometimes you’ll answer for each other, plus the timing of both your postings are often uncanningly accurate also.

    The internet has changed how we treat our fellow beings, sometimes with negative consequences. Trolls, bullies and fake/doubled up names abound in chats, blogs and discussion sites.
    It’s a bit addictive too If someone puts something bogus or questionable up or something you think to yourself ‘that doesn’t sound likely’ you can go on and give your opinion where he or she is wrong and get into a debate.
    If you win, you might think, I’ve got one over on him or her. Other times it’s impossible to get the other person to see your ‘point of view’.
    Most times I try to get my point across but if they choose to throw personal stuff, it does hit you.
    Vibrant discussion is great. But when someone is losing an argument, they can resort to personal attacks and all sorts of other things that aren’t relevant. And they do it deliberately. It can be a minefield of mind-games and that’s the bit I dislike.

    I’m still curious why you think I should have in-depth knowledge of Wellington.

    #1725564
    halcyon
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    halcyon

    Hero, thank you for your comprehensive response to my query. It is reassuring to know that my internet usage is not contribution greatly to climate change. As long as I go without steak on two days a year then I am carbon neutral in respect of my internet usage. I only eat 125 grams of steak at a meal.

    And I have decided that I will swap my flight miles for red meat, thus doing my bit for climate change while still enjoying my lamb roast.

    Isn’t science great

    Cheers 🙂

    It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.

    #1725608
    paulinem
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    paulinem

    Youth Parliament 2019 declares climate emergency

    From The House , 2:00 pm on 18 July 2019

    Youth MPs beat their actual MPs to the punch by declaring a climate change emergency at Youth Parliament 2019 this week. Youth Press Gallery member Sophie Dixon* observes how the younger generation are vocalising their stance on climate change.  Standing in the place of the Minister for Climate Change Youth MP Molly Doyle took a bold stance on climate change. “Our planet is in a state of emergency,” she told the debating chamber of Youth MPs.

    “Climate change is killing, destroying and taking what’s important to us.”

    Doyle is one of 120 Youth MPs taking part in Youth Parliament 2019. It’s a triennial event that aims to bring the voice of rangatahi into the heart of Parliament by handing it over to 120 young MPs for two days. MPs select youth representatives who then engage in a broad programme which includes a legislative debate on a mock bill (this year’s topic was the Sustainable Energy Bill) and a general debate.

    It was during the general debate that Luke Wijohn, Chloe Swarbrick’s Youth MP, moved for the Youth Parliament to declare a climate emergency. “I’ve marched in the streets like many of the MPs sitting here,” said Wijohn. “I think deep down the reason why we marched is because we’re scared. I’m scared that my awa will be poisoned, that my maunga will be polluted, that my marae will be underwater and that my iwi will starve.” The motion was a way for youth to regain power and show those in power that change was possible, he said. “We are clearly living in a climate emergency, but no one seems to want to actually acknowledge that.”

     

    A swift, rousing chorus of ayes and scattered noes had the debating chamber standing and clapping for the motion in under two minutes – two minutes for youth to take decisive action on climate change. “It shows immense amounts of leadership from these young people who are acutely aware of the impacts of climate change on their future and their present and I would hope if our rangatahi can show this kind of leadership then at the very least those who call themselves the adults should buck up their ideas,” said Green MP Chloe Swarbrick, who attempted to pass a motion to declare a climate change emergency back in May.

    A social media post from the Youth Press Gallery on the Youth Parliament’s climate emergency declaration encouraged party leaders to follow their example. ACT Leader David Seymour responded with an “Oh ffs” (for f**k’s sake) and said the Youth Parliament’s action was “laughably naive”. “They don’t appear to know what an emergency is,” he said. “Climate change poses no immediate threat to human life.” “It’s a pity they chose to focus on something they don’t know much about.”

    National MP Nicola Willis also denied the young people were setting an example for NZ Parliament.  “What difference does declaring a climate change emergency make?” she said. Willis suggested the focus should be on the Zero Carbon Bill, which National supported through its first reading. “That’s about action, that’s what I think is most important,” she said. “All New Zealanders care about climate change.” But Wijohn said there were still some who needed convincing. “We still have climate [change] denial, which is insane … we need ideological shifts before we can see climate action and structural change”.

    Swarbrick’s failed motion and criticism of the government’s efforts to promote clean vehicles and offset emissions shows that changing ideologies is not easy. The UK, France, Canada and Ireland have declared climate emergencies, with many cities and provinces around the world also taking a stand. “New Zealand cities that declare a climate emergency have immediately backed it up with action,” said Wijohn. Both Auckland and Dunedin recently implemented climate change action plans following their emergency declarations.

    Youth MP for Kris Faafoi, Sophie Handford, made the message clear. “Climate Change is a humanitarian crisis, an environmental crisis, and a social crisis,” she said. “This is a question of which side of history do you want to be on?”That’s the question young leaders are now waiting for Parliament to answer.

    *Sophie Dixon is a member of the Youth Press Gallery which takes the role of independent media reporting on Youth MPs and Youth Parliament 2019. This article was commissioned specifically for The House.

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    #1725610
    mommabear70
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    mommabear70

    Halcyon, you do realise if you’re not with them (the activists) then you’re against them. The activists I’m referring to in this instance are the school children who are demanding everyone stops burning fossil fuels. That means no internet for anyone.

    And sorry you can’t have steak or lamb at any time from now on.

    The carbon neutral thing isn’t on either as that suggests a cop out.

    But look, all jokes aside, if you fancy a flight over to somewhere a bit warmer this winter, just go for it if you can afford it.  The govt have decided all air travel is exempt from pollution reductions. After all, you can imagine if CoL politicians decide only they can take as many overseas jaunts as they wish, they’d soon be turfed out of the trough.

    In any case, the aviation fossil fuel burning industry worldwide only requires a paltry five million barrels of oil a day pollution (but set to be vastly more by 2035) so hopefully the CoL govt will come to some arrangement with striking school children – something along the lines of ‘Look, how about we let you keep all your ipads, mobiles, bicycles, skateboards, shoes, clothes and electricity if you let us and your parents fly anywhere we wish for our annual holidays’?

     

     

    #1725618
    halcyon
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    halcyon

    Mommabear, I am more than happy to forego my steak and lamb when various sporting  codes stop the international travel for weekly games.

    Just think how much beef and lamb we could grow for the same carbon footprint as the Rugby World Cup. So rather than condemning the production of good food, why not highlight the terrible damage to the planet earth by such activities as the RWC

    It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.

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