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  • #1714707
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    TedE

    Mommabear has talked to his granchildren and reports:
    We’ve had the odd chat with our grandchildren but they’re busy busy.
    They know only too well our stance on the planet warming scam.
    We’ve advised them to keep in mind the teaching methods of today on certain subjects amount to brainwashing.
    A while back Pop asked them could they imagine that mountain not far from them having no snow on it. I think they’re still laughing.
    But who knows? At one time the mountain itself never existed.
    Their parents are busy busy too, trying to scratch a living, pretending they’re ‘green’ while airport hopping.

    It would seem that Mommabear and family are happy with the status quo and that’s ok. Mammabear is not convinced of my reality so be it.

    I started this thread to ask What are we doing relating to “Global Warming”, Mommabear doesn’t see it as a threat to the coming generations or to the mammalian species, so instead of saying he is dong nothing he is out to convince us that doing nothing is ok I hope that I’ve understood Mommabear’s position.

    Greta Thunberg in her rebuttal of those who belittled her put it very nicely and is worth watching her take on dealing with those people and politicians. Worth watching and listening to it. From memory it will only take about 4 minutes of your time.

    So in terms of “What are we doing relating to “Global Warming”” I’m interested in what others are doing about it? (because I may be able to do more if someone has better ideas than mine.
    We are not presently geared to making radical change so therefore we must make incremental change but in my view we must change.

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    TedE

    Greta Thunberg interview in Belgium. (It’s to be remembered that English is a second language.)

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    TedE

    In post 1710249 i posted a link to “Greta set the record straight” regarding her being a pawn and many other sad things. (It should be remembered that English is not her first language) For those who were unable to get there this is what she said:

    In Response to Lies and Hate, Let Me Make Some Things Clear About My Climate Strike

    If everyone listened to the scientists and the facts that I constantly refer to — then no one would have to listen to me or any of the other hundreds of thousands of school children on strike for the climate across the world. Then we could all go back to school.

    I am just a messenger, and yet I get all this hate. I am not saying anything new, I am just saying what scientists have repeatedly said for decades. And I agree with you, I’m too young to do this. We children shouldn’t have to do this. But since almost no one is doing anything, and our very future is at risk, we feel like we have to continue.

    Recently I’ve seen many rumors circulating about me and enormous amounts of hate. This is no surprise to me. I know that since most people are not aware of the full meaning of the climate crisis (which is understandable since it has never been treated as a crisis) a school strike for the climate would seem very strange to people in general. So let me make some things clear about my school strike.

    In May 2018 I was one of the winners in a writing competition about the environment held by Svenska Dagbladet, a Swedish newspaper. I got my article published and some people contacted me, among others was Bo Thorén from Fossil Free Dalsland. He had some kind of group with people, especially youth, who wanted to do something about the climate crisis.

    Many people love to spread rumors saying that I have people “behind me” or that I’m being “paid” or “used” to do what I’m doing. But there is no one “behind” me except for myself. I had a few phone meetings with other activists. The purpose was to come up with ideas of new projects that would bring attention to the climate crisis.

    Bo had a few ideas of things we could do. Everything from marches to a loose idea of some kind of a school strike (that school children would do something on the schoolyards or in the classrooms). That idea was inspired by the Parkland Students, who had refused to go to school after the school shootings.

    I liked the idea of a school strike. So I developed that idea and tried to get the other young people to join me, but no one was really interested. They thought that a Swedish version of the Zero Hour march was going to have a bigger impact. So I went on planning the school strike all by myself and after that I didn’t participate in any more meetings.

    When I told my parents about my plans they weren’t very fond of it. They did not support the idea of school striking and they said that if I were to do this I would have to do it completely by myself and with no support from them.

    On August 20, 2018 I sat down outside the Swedish Parliament. I handed out fliers with a long list of facts about the climate crisis and explanations on why I was striking. The first thing I did was to post on Twitter and Instagram what I was doing and it soon went viral. Then journalists and newspapers started to come.

    A Swedish entrepreneur and business man active in the climate movement, Ingmar Rentzhog, was among the first to arrive. He spoke with me and took pictures that he posted on Facebook. That was the first time I had ever met or spoken with him. I had not communicated or encountered with him ever before.

    Many people love to spread rumors saying that I have people “behind me” or that I’m being “paid” or “used” to do what I’m doing. But there is no one “behind” me except for myself. My parents were as far from climate activists as possible before I made them aware of the situation.

    I am not part of any organization. I sometimes support and cooperate with several NGOs that work with the climate and environment. But I am absolutely independent and I only represent myself. And I do what I do completely for free, I have not received any money or any promise of future payments in any form at all. And nor has anyone linked to me or my family done so.

    And of course it will stay this way. I have not met one single climate activist who is fighting for the climate for money. That idea is completely absurd. Furthermore, I only travel with permission from my school and my parents pay for tickets and accommodations.

    My family has written a book together about our family and how me and my sister Beata have influenced my parents way of thinking and seeing the world, especially when it comes to the climate. And about our diagnoses. That book was due to be released in May. But since there was a major disagreement with the book company, we ended up changing to a new publisher and so the book was released in August instead.

    Before the book was released my parents made it clear that their possible profits from the book, “Scener ur hjärtat,” will be going to eight different charities working with environment, children with diagnoses, and animal rights.

    And yes, I write my own speeches. But since I know that what I say is going to reach many, many people I often ask for input. I also have a few scientists that I frequently ask for help on how to express certain complicated matters. I want everything to be absolutely correct so that I don’t spread incorrect facts, or things that can be misunderstood.

    Some people mock me for my diagnosis. But Asperger is not a disease, it’s a gift. People also say that since I have Asperger I couldn’t possibly have put myself in this position. But that’s exactly why I did this. Because if I would have been “normal” and social I would have organized myself in an organisation, or started an organisation by myself.

    But since I am not that good at socializing I did this instead. I was so frustrated that nothing was being done about the climate crisis and I felt like I had to do something, anything. And sometimes NOT doing things — like just sitting down outside the parliament — speaks much louder than doing things. Just like a whisper sometimes is louder than shouting.

    Also there is one complaint that I “sound and write like an adult.” And to that I can only say; don’t you think that a 16-year old can speak for herself? There’s also some people who say that I oversimplify things. For example when I say that “the climate crisis is a black and white issue”; “we need to stop the emissions of greenhouse gases”; and “I want you to panic.” But that I only say because it’s true.

    Yes, the climate crisis is the most complex issue that we have ever faced and it’s going to take everything from our part to “stop it.” But the solution is black and white; we need to stop the emissions of greenhouse gases.

    Because either we limit the warming to 1.5°C over pre-industrial levels, or we don’t. Either we reach a tipping point where we start a chain reaction with events way beyond human control, or we don’t. Either we go on as a civilization, or we don’t. There are no gray areas when it comes to survival.

    And when I say that I want you to panic I mean that we need to treat the crisis as a crisis. When your house is on fire you don’t sit down and talk about how nice you can rebuild it once you put out the fire. If your house is on fire you run outside and make sure that everyone is out while you call the fire department. That requires some level of panic.

    There is one other argument that I can’t do anything about. And that is the fact that I’m “just a child and we shouldn’t be listening to children.” But that is easily fixed—just start to listen to the rock solid science instead. Because if everyone listened to the scientists and the facts that I constantly refer to—then no one would have to listen to me or any of the other hundreds of thousands of school children on strike for the climate across the world. Then we could all go back to school.

    I am just a messenger, and yet I get all this hate. I am not saying anything new, I am just saying what scientists have repeatedly said for decades. And I agree with you, I’m too young to do this. We children shouldn’t have to do this. But since almost no one is doing anything, and our very future is at risk, we feel like we have to continue.

    And if you have any other concern or doubt about me, then you can listen to my TED talk below, in which I talk about how my interest for the climate and environment began. And thank you everyone for your kind support! It brings me hope.

    Tis not her Ted talk but an interview after the COP meeting:

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    Hero42

    TedE
    You ask what we are doing to combat climate change.

    This is what am I doing to combat climate change.
    Downsized my car to use less petrol
    Next car will be electric.
    Driving less Ks.
    Using electric train to get into Wellington
    Walking were possible, Wellington is very compact
    I fly less and when I do pay for a tree to be planted to offset the CO2
    Eating less meat
    Eating organic
    Grow some of my own food
    Double glazed and insulted the house to reduce heating costs.
    Switched to electric heating and cooling
    Installed some solar panels.
    Considering upgrading to full solar power
    Use the cold wash cycle
    Air dry washing in the sun
    Buy energy efficient appliances
    Installed all LED lighting
    Unplug appliances when not needed.
    Only replace appliances when they need replacing not just when a new model comes out.
    Recycle
    Run a worm farm
    Compose and reuse garden waste
    Plant trees and shrubs to capture nitrogen runoff in the Wellington region.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1714903
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    TedE

    Thank you for thatHero.
    Are you by any chance talking to young people about it and why you are taking these actions?

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    #1714911
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    Hero42

    I talk to lots of people about it and that’s why I correct errors and misrepresentations on here.

    My mantra in life is to leave a world that is better than the one I came into.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1714986
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    mommabear70

    TedE, I thought I’d made it obvious what I’m doing about it. I’m spreading the word on the scam that it is.
    Global Warming was the buzz word until it was proved there is no warming.
    The activists, scared they’d lose their gravy train, dreamed up another, this one Climate Change.
    But as the climate has always been changing that’s dead in the water too. However, plenty have been sucked in on what must be the scam of all time.

    I was debating in another group (species dying off) on another site recently.
    Some are of the opinion the oceans are dying due to pollution, over-fishing and a changing climate. So here we’re discussion three different predicaments.
    The oceans are most certainly not dying
    Yes there’s way too much pollution in the oceans. Pollution is mad-made and everyone can reduce that.
    Over-fishing is a problem too and that’s is mad-made also. The planet is hugely over-populated – that’s another thing that humans are responsible for. Humans have to eat to live and if millions of them like to eat fish, then it’s obvious a huge amount of fish need to be caught or there’ll be shortages.
    Some of the debaters talked about the losing of coral reefs is due to heat/cold. But in reality it’s over-fishing once again. The parrot fish is a sand/coral making machine.
    You raised that the sea levels are rising and we have Kiribati population needing to be evacuated.
    Nothing new about sea levels rising and falling either.
    But the survival or not for those on Kiribati lies only with themselves.
    If you haven’t read it already, re-read my https://www.grownups.co.nz/discuss/topic/global-warming-what-are-we-doing/page/46/#post-1705820.

    Now let’s have some facts out in the open. I wish these facts were being presented to school children. We’re hoping to meet with a headmaster or two in the near future to ascertain what they’re feeding our young in the way of real climate science.
    The scammers would have you believe that there’s too much CO2 in the atmosphere.
    CO2 is the basis of most forms of life on the planet as it is necessary for photosynthesis, which creates plants, which in turn nourish animals. It is currently naturally in the earth’s atmosphere as 0.04% of ‘air’ – 400 parts per million (ppm).
    CO2 has increased from 350 ppm to 400 ppm over the last~50 years, but this is inconsequential given it has been as high as 7000 ppm of the earth’s air in the past.
    Importantly, CO2 is produced by the decomposition of plant matter, and released from the oceans and other natural processes including volcanoes. A minor amount is produced by man – man-made CO2  emissions are about ~4% of all sources of CO2 going into the atmosphere.
    So 96% of all CO2 is naturally produced.

    Historically and for millions of years CO2 levels have been over 3000 ppm on this planet and sometimes around 7000 ppm. Ice ages occurred during these times, as did normal temperatures. The much higher levels of CO2 had no correlation to the planet’s temperature – life kept evolving normally.

    According to IPCC, the more recent increase in CO2 in the atmosphere (of just~50 ppm) will dramatically warm the planet with catastrophic climatic implications. The IPCC claims that most of the warming is caused by increases in C02 from burning of fossil fuels. Therefore, CO2 emissions must be reduced – and at huge cost. This is flawed thinking.
    Increasing CO2 by just 50 ppm,or even doubling it, would not make any significant difference to anything on this planet, other than making plants grow faster.
    Dr Patrick Moore, Co-founder of Greenpeace, who is now a global warming realist says (2013) “the optimal level of CO2 for plant growth is 1600 ppm, four times higher than the level today.” 400 ppm is a starvation diet for plants and they die under 150 ppm. Moore (2014) also says “This is why greenhouse growers purposely inject the CO2-rich exhaust from their gas and wood-fired heaters into the greenhouse, resulting in a 40-80 per cent increase in growth.
    Thus the idea that it would be catastrophic if CO2 were to increase…is preposterous.”

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    paulinem

    Mommabear what are your qualifictions to make these rediculous  climate change denial claims!! I suspect none but plain prejudice drives you!

    I studied Environment Management for three years I now have a degree in EM.  From my degree I KNOW Climate change is real it is a SERIOUS worry to the PLANET.

    Oil and coal  usage IS THE main cause of CO2 Pollution. I repeat POLLUTION of the Ozone in the atmosphere ..Yes MB a SMALL amount of Co2 Is harmless BUT not the amount these dirty selfish polluters of Co2 are admitting into the atmosphere it is NOT HARMLESS and IS definitely NOT HEALTHY for the planet.

    Take note of this next time the TV news shows you the recent  horrific flooding in Mozambique this is caused by our planet environment being damaged by climate change !! No school should let you any where near there children  your denial views are dangerous to their future !!

     

    #1715178
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    MB
    You claim that the warming has stopped and that is why they changed to Climate change. In fact the name change was to give a more accurate description as global warming creates climate change which can result in colder cold snaps as recently seen in the US.

    Given I can find no scientific basis for the claim that warming has stopped can you please show me the scientific proof that it has.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1715181
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    MB
    You recently warned of climate scientists without qualifications although I see you haven’t given any names yet.

    But on that theme I see you quote Dr Patrick Moore as a source and yet he isn’t a climate scientist, his qualification was in forestry.

    You also complain about climate scientists selling out for the almighty dollar and the perks and yet Dr Moore seems to doing just what you complained of through his business relations with “polluters and clear-cutters” through his consultancy. Moore has earned his living since the early 1990s primarily by consulting for, and publicly speaking for, a wide variety of corporations and lobby groups such as the Nuclear Energy Institute.

    Moore was hired as a consultant to write an environmental ‘inspection report’ for the Indonesian logging firm Asia Pulp & Paper (APP) operations. Moore’s company is not a monitoring firm and the consultants used were experts in public relations, not tropical ecology or Indonesian law. Sections of the report were directly copied from an APP PR brochure.

    Do you really want to use him as a reference?

    Cheers 🙂

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