- #1710282halcyonMemberMember since: May 4, 2014
Replies: 4862halcyon February 5, 2019 at 10:04 pm
Hero, you ask very good question when you say ” what would convince you ?” I have spent several hours reflecting on that question. The simple answer is “The Truth”. No, I am not being flippant.
Unfortunately all sides of the argument have contaminated their evidence through a reliance on emotive claptrap. Words like C.C. Denier and C.C. Alarmists are bandied around willy-nilly. Celebrities have chosen sides and spout their 10 cents worth. Even the media have failed to remain unbiased. This has lead to allegations of political manoeuvrings.
There is a need for sound empirical research from all sides to be presented and openly debated by those who carried out the research. Then maybe my questions will be answered.
There is nothing more valuable than truth#1710294mommabear70 February 6, 2019 at 12:11 pm
hero42 “Shame that some posters choose to try and discredit other posters”
You try to discredit me at every opportunity.
“Top marks for persistence but Mommabear will undoubtedly find another minor reason to not debate”
“That however is not the modus operandi of Mommabear. Any excuse to find a reason to take offence and not debate”
Since when did debating any or every topic become compulsory?#1710302TedEMemberMember since: May 6, 2006
Replies: 2239TedE February 6, 2019 at 3:21 pm
What do you think it would take to get this young lady coverage in the NZ new or media?
For me there is a distinct lack of urgency in our approach to her/our stated problem.
TedE - Papakura -#1710303mommabear70 February 6, 2019 at 3:41 pm
TedE, would you mind explaining what caused the previous five mass extinctions please?
It doesn’t have to be in great detail but just whatever you think is necessary will do.
As we’ve had a bumper crop I’m a little busy making tomato relish.
Thank you.#1710315mommabear70 February 6, 2019 at 4:08 pm
TedE, Radio NZ, Stuff and NZHerald have published Greta Thunberg stories.
Regarding the rest of our msm, I imagine their priorities are centred on Jacinda Ardern’s sausage and bacon cooking abilities at Waitangi.#1710451Hero42 February 7, 2019 at 4:44 pm
You seem to be losing your touch, that isn’t even a reason.
No you don’t have to debate any particular point but if you can’t debate and argue your position on a point then the reader may be left with the view that it is because your view is not defensible or credible. Alternately they may decide you have just got tired of the debate.
Personally I will go with the first option. Other readers are free to choose what they wish to deduce from the lack of debate.
Cheers 🙂#1710459Hero42 February 7, 2019 at 4:55 pm
Truth can be subjective as people in complex debates such as this may already be leaning in a particular direction and will then choose to accept some facts and discard other facts according to the position already adopted.
Personally I believe sound empirical research from all sides has been presented and openly debated by those who carried out the research. And the result of that is that the research conducted by those who believe the accelerating rate of climate change is natural have been shown to be wrong.
Conversely the research presented supporting the theory that the accelerating rate of climate change is fueled by mankind’s activities has been shown to be the most likely explanation and has yet to be shown to be incorrect.
Of course the scientific facts are hard for many to follow or understand so perhaps another way of considering the position is look at what is happening int he world today, comparing it to what has happened in living memory given we are all advancing in years and checking to see if it matches what the scientific community predicted ten or twenty years ago.
From that point of view I would say it would be very hard to argue that the scientific predicts were accurate and are occurring.
Which of course brings us to the worrying position of seeing the power companies spending vast sums trying to disrupt the scientific debate and slowing the action needed to arrest the accelerating rate of change which will see us in even more strife in the coming years.
Cheers 🙂#1710473Hero42 February 7, 2019 at 5:11 pm
Speaking of predictions, this one is worrying:
And this is a relatively short time frame prediction too which makes it even ore worrying.
Cheers 🙂#1711178TedEMemberMember since: May 6, 2006
Replies: 2239TedE February 12, 2019 at 10:40 pm
Scientists have narrowed down several of the most likely causes of mass extinction. Flood basalt events (volcano eruptions), asteroid collisions, and sea level falls are the most likely causes of mass extinctions, though several other known events may also contribute.
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