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    Our Prime Minister and Deputy must be much too busy enjoying their summer holidays to be bothered visiting coastal Thames towns and provide immediate financial assistance to locals, businesses and speed up repairs.

    Storm damage to the Thames Coast Rd is predicted to have a massive impact on Coromandel businesses that rely heavily on the summer tourism trade to survive the rest of the year.

    Flood damage forcing traffic to detour at Thames could mean local supermarkets run short of some foods at the height of the tourist season.

    The best govt could do was send in the Civil Defence Minister Kris Faafoi who’s only response was “there needs to be some long-term decisions about the future of the Thames Coast Road, with the potential for extreme weather events becoming more common.

    In contrast Prime Minister John Key flew immediately to Kaikoura and soon after announced a recovery package.

    Funny how some things come back to bite you on the bum.
    The then Labour leader Andrew Little said that the relief package was a necessary first step but did not go far enough.
    Nearly a week has passed since the devastation in the Thames area and there’s been nothing in the way of immediate financial assistance from this Labour led govt.

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    Its a great pity that everything is measured by the almighty fkn dollar then .. isn’t it?

    Having the defense forces trained to respond immediately(without consultation with/or party approval) to such emergencies would provide the type of structured assistance required and provide the defense forces with sound logistics/pr but that might compete with the corporate model (so national would not approve of that) but winnie might?

    Which corporation or business was it you wanted the government to sponsor or provide funds for mommabear70?

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    critic, interesting, your “Having the defense forces trained to respond immediately(without consultation with/or party approval) to such emergencies would provide..”

    It states on http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/ “Every hour of every day, 365 days a year, the New Zealand Defence Force is contributing to the defence, security and well-being of Aotearoa/New Zealand. It is our goal to maintain well-trained and equipped armed forces that can react to crisis at short notice. We work in partnership with many other government agencies helping people and protecting our territory and our oceans. Regular Force, Reservists and Civilians – together we are a Force for New Zealand.

    After reading that, I have to wonder if the Minister of Defence Ron Mark, the Civil Defence Minister Kris Faafoi or indeed anyone else in the CoL govt are aware of the capabilities of our defence forces. Perhaps they think they’re there just in case some sort of war breaks out.

    One thing you’re right about is that deploying any number of our already well-trained members of the NZDF plus their equipment to a flood stricken location with broken roads will require expense.
    Something that the Labour led govt is very short on apart from brainpower, is spare cash.

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    deploying any number of our already well-trained members of the NZDF plus their equipment to a flood stricken location with broken roads will require expense.

    Yes some expense “BUT” there is already a budget for their training and the equipment and manpower would already be budgeted for …
    Transporting manpower and equipment over rough terrain sounds just like what they should be equipped and prepared for as part of regular training anyway

    We already know that 26,000,000 is small change for prime ministers out to impress Australia with flag burning tactics (that get nowhere) so I suggest that the defense forces would need “very little” extra funding and it could be taken out of the same budget as the flag burning budget nobody griped about
    🙂

    Those roads that were wasted wouldn’t have held our boys up for long …back in the day when they had their own engineers etc.. but the corporate regime has shut a lot of that down so they can fund private businesses (and their profits)….

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    So from which budget are you quoting the 26,000,000 came from and how much is still left in it?

    Ah,back in the day eh. Were those the days before Helen Clark took the axe to NZDF?

    You’ve got to take your hat off to the NZDF. The populace always get a warm fuzzy feeling hearing that NZDF have a goal to maintain well-trained and equipped armed forces that can react to crisis at short notice But naturally enough, goals like that do cost a great deal of money.
    National had planned to invest 20 billion over 15 years upgrading ancient and tired equipment. Labour will use it as a slush fund for their election policies.

    So perhaps I should apologise to Ron Mark and Kris Faafoi for not calling the boys out. They probably knew that all the old gear would have been pretty useless.

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    So from which budget are you quoting the 26,000,000 came from and how much is still left in it?

    I have no idea but it was the jonkey that found the $26,000,000 so he might even have borrowed it from the ozzies …. they sure like him for some reason.

    Which budget were you expecting the current government to fund businesses profits and locals? when you wrote…

    Our Prime Minister and Deputy must be much too busy enjoying their summer holidays to be bothered visiting coastal Thames towns and provide immediate financial assistance to locals, businesses and speed up repairs.

    Isn’t there a disaster relief fund or something similar attached to insurance? …. Wherever the funds come from I reckon they would go much further with the defense forces because they are not in it for the profit and they are not known to squander money on executives … or are they?

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    Critic, perhaps the ozzies like John Key because he didn’t tell them how to run their affairs.

    I cant figure out what you mean by “..the current government to fund businesses profits and locals..”

    Though it does sound to me like you’d sooner govt not be involved in any disaster relief beyond calling in the defence forces. On that basis, why do we bother having a Civil Defence organisation? Just let individuals do their own insurance claims and hope for the best eh?
    You’d naturally have been against govt being involved in the Napier, Christchurch and Kaikoura earthquakes recovery and aid programmes beyond calling in the defence forces.
    Hey, there’s an idea. All the tradespeople in the forces should have been called up to repair and rebuild houses instead of importing them.

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    Critic, perhaps the ozzies like John Key because he didn’t tell them how to run their affairs.

    You didn’t either but they didn’t give you their highest honour …. you should have done some brown nosing 🙂

    I cant figure out what you mean by “..the current government to fund businesses profits and locals..”

    Pretty easy really you were whining because the “Prime Minister and Deputy” didn’t drop everything (to get in the way with their photo shoots) and overnight fund locals and businesses….

    Our Prime Minister and Deputy must be much too busy enjoying their summer holidays to be bothered visiting coastal Thames towns and provide immediate financial assistance to locals, businesses and speed up repairs.

    I took it that you want the government to fund businesses in there so how could you be confused …. that is what you wanted isn’t it?

    Though it does sound to me like you’d sooner govt not be involved in any disaster relief beyond calling in the defense forces.

    Well that is interesting because I meant to say that the defence forces shouldn’t need to consult with any party to do their intended duties which you pointed out was “to maintain well-trained and equipped armed forces that can react to crisis at short notice”

    We are supposed to be a Nation not a nannied state of australia so if there was an emergency or crisis what special training is it that you believe elected representatives like the “Prime Minister and Deputy” have to cope with the crisis or did you think throwing money at the problem is the only skill set required?

    On that basis, why do we bother having a Civil Defence organisation?

    Logistics is clearly not your strong point … But perhaps you could tell us all what sort of equipment the civil defense forces have to move manpower, food and equipment …. I have no idea so tell us have they got choppers and large heavy duty four wheel drive equipment etc etc or just good funding (like that would help)?
    I would have thought that the defense forces and civil defense would work together ensuring resources are available as they are all on the same team in an emergency?

    Just let individuals do their own insurance claims and hope for the best eh?

    What is that dribbling down your chin…reality cheque?

    You’d naturally have been against govt being involved in the Napier, Christchurch and Kaikoura earthquakes recovery and aid programmes beyond calling in the defence forces.

    Again what special training is it that you clearly believe elected representatives gain or have already by being elected other than access to the public purse strings…. and do you believe you are rational?

    Hey, there’s an idea. All the tradespeople in the forces should have been called up to repair and rebuild houses instead of importing them.

    I would hope that the defense forces do train some young carpenters etc because if there was a war it would look really silly to have to get private contractors into war zones to build pow camps etc.

    I understand that you are not reasoning very well on this thread so I will help you with your confused understanding of reality.

    🙂 “THE EMERGENCY IS OVER IN CHRISTCHURCH” 🙂 So there is no need for emergency response personal to waste their efforts building houses on all that shifty sand….

    Unless you were hoping to resolve the problem with the government failing to ensure that there is enough youngsters being trained as builders in nz … So creating the necessity to import skills to mitigate the governments abundant shortcomings?
    My bet is if the defense forces were instructed to (wipe the governments ass) “repair and rebuild houses”…. They would do the best fkn job and take advantage of the situation to train youngsters as carpenters … Because they are Structured and Disciplined (unlike some parties) and they are not there to take advantage of others misfortune$ (unlike some parties)

    I heard the education system is failing a tad because the government(some party) was busy gyrating on their thumbs for several years instead of ensuring there was enough trainees …. Do you reckon we should start importing?

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