- #1716047maxjohnMemberMember since: November 5, 2016
Replies: 1maxjohn April 5, 2019 at 3:05 pm
Citizens living in democracies worldwide have frequently been sidelined as politicians stonewalled unpopular decisions and passed popular laws. When scrutinised in hindsight the results are often seen to have negatively impacted today’s societies. Lobbyists play a part by securing near term benefits for themselves with scant regards for future consequences. Because election cycles are a major cause of this problem today’s political discussions should be directed towards assuring the future well-being of all citizens are accounted for, including those yet to be born. Ancient civilisations lived by laws that ensured as far as possible they did not impact on the wellbeing of future generations. Some Native American people planned for seven generations in the future, whilst for Australia’s First People it was for eternity.
Finland, Wales and Japan have each employed different methods to address the election cycle shortcoming. Japan has been conducting research to ascertain the best design in developing a National Ministry of the Future and Department of Future in Local Governments. Guided by the principle of looking to build a secure and sustainable future for Wales, the Well Being for Future Generations Act was given Royal Assent in April 2015. Finland in 1993 established a Standing Permanent Committee, underpinned by the constitution, consisting of 17 parliamentarians representing all parties. They claim that among their greatest impacts to date is the changing of Finnish politics mindsets towards considering long term future options. The Japanese research supports that claim. Groups of citizens when asked in 2015 to draw-up a vision for the future were asked to stand in the shoes of those who would be active in 2060. Their vision compelled effort is taken to overcome tough issues. Groups without the active in 2060 instruction incorporated existing constraints and challenges into their vision.
Aotearoa has a proud history of leading political change to ensure all its citizens can participate in deciding what rules will be adopted nationally and in local municipalities. It is time to provide the silent future constituents of New Zealand with a voice so the world they want to live in is accounted for by today’s politicians.#1716376jens April 10, 2019 at 10:07 am
Makes sense, maxjohn.
Since our leading welfare politics have not eliminated poverty amidst plenty but even widened welfare dependency (i.e. relative poverty ?) – and yet there is no clear political vision on how to rectify it in a fair way so far (???) –
should we not vigorously discuss the pros and cons of the Third Way upwards for all towards at least a minimally meaningful level of personal wealth ownership by all citizens eventually, maxjohn ? Or why not ?
And what about another initial step in this direction (beside the NZ Super Fund) –
granting the $1000.- KiwiSaver kick-start to all those who have not received it yet, unconditionally, “from cradle to grave”, which would be no new taxpayer expense if granted as an investment within the NZ Super Fund out of the money we all have saved, paid and collectively own already with the NZSF?
If you agree with those who for unexplained reasons do not want to know and talk about it, perhaps you can give at lest your own reasons for such an attitude, and be prepared to discuss it ?#1720008jens May 22, 2019 at 2:44 pm
Well maxjohn and others interested in a long term vision of democratic evolution for the future
– should we go back to the “eternally sustainable” culture of our pre- stone-age ancestors or “pre-colonial” Australia’s First People – or what ?
Surely at least the Greens might have something to propose for discussion on the next bold step in the direction of their vision?#1720014maxjohnMemberMember since: November 5, 2016
Replies: 1maxjohn May 22, 2019 at 3:43 pm
We have just seen the report of how dysfunctional parliament performance is, and that it is expected to take 5 years to change the culture. My research indicates it takes 7 years to change culture in large organizations. That aside, having a process in place that takes account of the future welfare of citizens does mean in part having eternal sustainability. Introducing such an ideology into our political environment could further exacerbate the issues faced by those working in parliament. Maybe the way forward is to have the politicians explain to us what their vision is for New Zealand for the next several decades. Then provide check points along the way so as to allow us to gauge the progress made towards that vision. At the moment all we really have is a rear view mirror telling us where we have been which is a ludicrous situation.#1720040jens May 22, 2019 at 5:46 pm
Sounds good, maxjohn – but the reality seems to be, that the majority of people are so conservative as to “prefer the devil they know to the one they don’t know”.
Examples of this are the modest proportion of votes achieved by the Greens, or even the recent elections in Australia, where innovative Labour lost to the more conservative (Centrist?) Liberals.
Here I believe Labour will retain the leading role as long as it remains more “Centrist” and economically conservative than unpredictable extreme liberalism – or excessively freedom and enterprise curtailing govt. monopoly capitalism.
For ordinary politicians to go for votes, their best chance is not only to discover what people want or wish, but also how far are they prepared to participate in the efforts to achieve it.
Therefore, maxjohn – would not vigorous non-party public debate and discussions be very helpful for politicians to get ideas and clues for coming up with innovative policy proposals ?
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