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Climate Change thread for all climate change discussions

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  • #1734289
    Hero42
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    Hero42

    Supergold
    That is very interesting.

    I am not sure why you think this shouldn’t be possible to validate even if we are not linked to the galactic federation, whoever they are.
    Are they the ones Rick and Morty talk about?

    Some scientific facts:
    The galactic year, also known as a cosmic year, is the duration of time required for the Sun to orbit once around the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. Estimates of the length of one orbit range from 225 to 250 million terrestrial years. The Solar System is traveling at an average speed of 230 km/s (828,000 km/h) or 143 mi/s (514,000 mph) within its trajectory around the galactic center, a speed at which an object could circumnavigate the Earth’s equator in 2 minutes and 54 seconds; that speed corresponds to approximately 1/1300 of the speed of light.

    So given the solar system is orbiting the centre of the galaxy how does this alignment work?

    Also the article states there is ample evidence of interplanetary climate change all throughout our solar system.
    This raises some interesting questions:
    Where is this evidence?
    If it is hidden from us how do we know it exists?
    If Gaia Science has it why don’t they share it?

    Next scientific fact is that we can measure cosmic waves of energy.
    So that raises the questions:
    Why are we not measuring this cosmic energy?
    Is it a form of energy only known to Gaia Science?
    If so why aren’t they sharing it and how to measure it with the rest of the world?
    What do they have to gain by hiding this knowledge which would help their cause grow?

    Next scientific fact:
    We know the magnetic poles shift but there is no evidence that this shifting is aligned with the rise and falls of many ancient civilizations on Earth.
    We know the continental plates move and we witness that in NZ on a regular basis but where are these ruins under the ice in Antarctica?
    If Gaia Science know where they are why don’t they share them with us so we can check them out?
    I suppose we just have to wait for the ice sheets to melt with climate change to find the ruins.

    All good food for thought.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1734519
    jens
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    jens

    Yes, but  did not astronomers  calculate  already before WW2, that eventually  before the  sun burns out, it will  expand and burn up or swallow  Earth  ?

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    #1734535
    Bryan
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    Bryan

    This all sounds like some of the things that Squirter used to talk about and elude to BUT I don’t even start to understand it as it goes right over my head. It is just that it seems to follow the same thoughts.

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    #1734539
    Hero42
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    Hero42

    Jens
    Yes it will but not for another 4 or 5 billion years so we have time to find a way to leave the planet and find somewhere else to live, if mankind can survive that long.

    But mankind hasn’t got 4 or 5 billion years we would need to gone in about 2 to 3 billion years as the Earth will become uninhabitable long before it is destroyed.

    More details here:
    https://www.sciencealert.com/watch-here-s-how-the-sun-will-eventually-destroy-earth?

    Cheers 🙂

    #1735910
    TedE
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    TedE

    Would you care to think about the aeons involved in laying down the coal and oil that we have consumed since the start of the steam age. The many centuries indeed millions of years since the biologicl life started to consume the atmospheric carbon that led us into the stability of the last 5000 years.

    The number of years taken to produce the coal and oil that we have consumed and released back into the atmosphere in the last 3 centuries.

    I agree with Greta that we have been remiss in our attitude to polluting our environment with our behaviour. We have the means at our disposal to change our behaviour and it is irresponsible not to change our way of living.

    TedE - Papakura -

    #1735922
    supergold
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    supergold

    After our daughter of fifteen years of age was moved to tears by the speech of Greta Thunberg at the UN the other day, she became angry with our generation “who had been doing nothing for thirty years.”

    So, we decided to help her prevent what the girl on TV announced of “massive eradication and the disappearance of entire ecosystems.”

    We are now committed to give our daughter a future again, by doing our part to help cool the planet four degrees.

    From now on she will go to school on a bicycle, because driving her by car costs fuel, and fuel puts emissions into the atmosphere. Of course it will be winter soon and then she will want to go by bus, but only as long as it is a diesel bus.

    Somehow, that does not seem to be conducive to ‘helping the Climate’.

    Of course, she is now asking for an electric bicycle, but we have shown her the devastation caused to the areas of the planet as a result of mining for the extraction of Lithium and other minerals used to make batteries for electric bicycles, so she will be pedaling, or walking. Which will not harm her, or the planet. We used to cycle and walk to school too.

    Since the girl on TV demanded “we need to get rid of our dependency on fossil fuels” and our daughter agreed with her, we have disconnected the heat vent in her room. The temperature is now dropping to twelve degrees in the evening, and will drop below freezing in the winter, we have promised to buy her an extra sweater, hat, tights, gloves and a blanket.

    For the same reason we have decided that from now on she only takes a cold shower. She will wash her clothes by hand, with a wooden washboard, because the washing machine is simply a power consumer and since the dryer uses natural gas, she will hang her clothes on the clothes line to dry.

    Speaking of clothes, the ones that she currently has are all synthetic, so made from petroleum. Therefore on Monday, we will bring all her designer clothing to the secondhand shop.

    We have found an eco store where the only clothing they sell is made from undyed and unbleached linen, wool and jute.

    It shouldn’t matter that it looks good on her, or that she is going to be laughed at, dressing in colourless, bland clothes and without a wireless bra, but that is the price she has to pay for the benefit of The Climate.

    Cotton is out of the question, as it comes from distant lands and pesticides are used for it. Very bad for the environment.

    We just saw on her Instagram that she’s pretty angry with us. This was not our intention.

    From now on, at 7 p.m. we will turn off the WiFi and we will only switch it on again the next day after dinner for two hours. In this way we will save on electricity, so she is not bothered by electro-stress and will be totally isolated from the outside world. This way, she can concentrate solely on her homework. At eleven o’clock in the evening we will pull the breaker to shut the power off to her room, so she knows that dark is really dark. That will save a lot of CO2.

    She will no longer be participating in winter sports to ski lodges and resorts, nor will she be going on anymore vacations with us, because our vacation destinations are practically inaccessible by bicycle.

    Since our daughter fully agrees with the girl on TV that the CO2 emissions and footprints of her great-grandparents are to blame for ‘killing our planet’, what all this simply means, is that she also has to live like her great-grandparents and they never had a holiday, a car or even a bicycle.

    We haven’t talked about the carbon footprint of food yet.

    Zero CO2 footprint means no meat, no fish and no poultry, but also no meat substitutes that are based on soy (after all, that grows in farmers fields, that use machinery to harvest the beans, trucks to transport to the processing plants, where more energy is used, then trucked to the packaging/canning plants, and trucked once again to the stores) and also no imported food, because that has a negative ecological effect. And absolutely no chocolate from Africa, no coffee from South America and no tea from Asia.

    Only homegrown potatoes, vegetables and fruit that have been grown in local cold soil, because greenhouses run on boilers, piped in CO2 and artificial light. Apparently, these things are also bad for The Climate. We will teach her how to grow her own food.

    Bread is still possible, but butter, milk, cheese and yogurt, cottage cheese and cream come from cows and they emit CO2. No more margarine and no oils will be used for the frying pan, because that fat is palm oil from plantations in Borneo where rain forests first grew.

    No ice cream in the summer. No soft drinks and no energy drinks, as the bubbles are CO2. She wanted to lose some pounds, well, this will help her achieve that goal too.

    We will also ban all plastic, because it comes from chemical factories. Everything made of steel and aluminum must also be removed. Have you ever seen the amount of energy a blast furnace consumes or an aluminum smelter? Uber bad for the climate!

    We will replace her 9600 coil, memory foam pillow top mattress, with a jute bag filled with straw, with a horse hair pillow.

    And finally, she will no longer be using makeup, soap, shampoo, cream, lotion, conditioner, toothpaste and medication. Her sanitary napkins will be replaced with pads made of linen, that she can wash by hand, with her wooden washboard, just like her female ancestors did before climate change made her angry at us for destroying her future.

    In this way we will help her to do her part to prevent mass extinction, water levels rising and the disappearance of entire ecosystems.

    If she truly believes she wants to walk the talk of the girl on TV, she will gladly accept and happily embrace her new way of life.

    66589

    Supergold-Wainuiomata (Wellington)

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    #1735927
    celery
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    celery

    Love it!

    #1735928
    Bryan
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    Bryan

    Yep! And so do I

    A very well written and informative post! I have even taken the a copy and printed it for my Granddaughter to lecture her children with at the appropriate time.

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    #1735976
    Loyal
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    Loyal

    Exactly! So do I love it. Absolute raw truth!

    Loyal - Bay of Plenty 🙂

    #1735977
    jens
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    jens

    But will it all help at all,  if we are  between  2 Ice  Ages ,  and the  top level of warmth of the Earth  surface between  Ice  Ages  has not  been  reached  yet ?

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